Scherpf

Has anyone had Porsche USA cover the replacement of an engine for a Porsche Cayenne S 2004 that is out of warranty? I am the third owner of this vehicle. It has 80,000 miles on it. I have done all the required oil changes at the dealer. I also had the dealer do a PPI on it before I purchased and it came out very clean. The two previous owners did all the required maintenance on time as well. So far I have had no luck with the dealer of Porsche USA helping me out with the replacement cost. Just wondering if any of you have had any luck with Porsche USA? I have only seen one post stating that Porsche helped out of warranty. Any suggestions or just suck it up and buy a new engine from the dealer for 16K.

wirunner

I would guess likelihood of 3rd owner is low, but what do I know?

Can you elaborate a bit more on diagnosis, symptoms?

jaholmes

i'd say you are SOL.

I had a scored cylinder on my 05 CS. It was blowing smoke and using oil. It was able to get a re-man motor but it was a tough fight even within the warranty. The other thing that helped is that my vin was within the range where the rings were installed upside down.

You may be able to see if the TSB VIN range applies to your car.

deilenberger

Any link to that TSB? (Hard to believe rings upside down.. but bet it's not just Germans assembling the engines..)

Scherpf

My car was making a ticking noise. I had taken it to local mechanics here in the mountains of Colorado and they thought it was a lifter noise that would just go away. Then I took it to the dealer in Denver and they said that it was a scored cylinder and that it would need a new engine.

bigbuzuki

TSB 1324 refers to faulty oil scraper rings.

You can download it over at Renntech.

hahnmgh63

Engine range for the TSB is: M48/00-81 5 02130 to 03807
VIN Range: WP1AB29P15LA60626 to WP1AB29LA61831

Hope this helps. There should be a class action lawsuit for all of these Cayenne engine failures occuring. If you are in the U.S. I would report it as a complaint to NHSTA and to the EPA for the oil burning/emmissions issue.

suzoom

Can you point me in the direction to find out more about this rings being installed upside down issue? I bought a 2004 Cayenne and then found out it needs a new engine due to cylinder scoring. If this ends up being the case it seems like Porsche should be responsible for this. Any thoughts on this? I did buy a 3rd party warranty and so far they are being incredibly resistant...saying it's not covered unless it's a failure of an internally lubricated part. So we are in this game of trying to determine the failed part. They don't cover the cylinder lining as a defective part. I'm somewhat hopeful reading about this, because if the rings are causing the problem, I might be in luck.
Thanks for your help!
suzoom

CdnRD

Sounds to me you may want to talk to a lawyer. Warranty companies make their money by refusing claims. Since when is a cylinder not an "internally lubricated part"? Check the definition in the contract, but if it's ambiguous, I think a tie goes to the car owner.

suzoom

Hi there,
Can you repost the VIN range? It looks like the second VIN is missing some numbers, and I'm trying to determine if mine falls within the range.
Thank you so much!
Suzoom

bigbuzuki

Engine range for TSB 1324 is: M48/00-81 5 02130 to M48/00-81 5 03807
VIN Range: WP1AB29P15LA60626 to WP1AB29P75LA61831

suzoom

Hmm....Thanks. So my VIN is the same up to the P, then has a 2 digit # that is between 15 and 75, has the same LA, but then the last 5 digits starts with 7.
So I'm not sure that is between. Do you know?
Thank you,
Suzoom

bigbuzuki

The number before the LA is the model year of the vehicle.
Yours should be a 4 if you have a 2004 CS.
The TSB VIN range is for 2005 build cycle models thus the 5 prior to the LA. (=TSB is not applicable to you by VIN only).

Does your engine number fall in the range?

The 5 number in the engine range relates to engines manufactured in the 2005 build cycle, yours should be a 4, which means this TSB is not applicable to you either.

deilenberger

Thanks for the explaination.. I was puzzling over it also. My '06 (mfg 10/06) doesn't seem to fall into that range.

suzoom

Thank you for the information. I was hoping my VIN would fall within the range.

Anybody have any ideas as to what could actually be causing the cylinder scoring? It seems pretty fishy to me that I am seeing many reports of '04 and '05 Cayennes with the same problem. It makes sense that it could be the piston upside down problem, but my car doesn't fall within the range. Perhaps it could that problem anyway??

So according to what we have found so far, it doesn't appear to be a carbon problem, and there are no signs of engine overheating. It seems like it has to be faulty rings, because there is nothing else in there. Warranty Co. is suggesting that the engine liner material just failed; which of course they don't cover. I am definitely not convinced. In my opinion it must be the ring that is scratching the cylinder. Furthermore, I wonder if the piston upside down problem isn't more widespread than previously thought. It seems like there are many reports of this problem by '04 owners.

I am wondering if anyone else has another opinion or idea of what could possibly be scoring the cylinder (3 of them)?

In the meantime, we have to decide whether to tear the engine down further to see the rings. The cost associated with tear down is our cost, if they end up not covering it. Ugh.

Thanks for reading and for any feedback.
Suzoom