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Old 07-13-2020, 09:49 AM
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Hello to all,

I spent a little time searching last night on Google, and more time this morning looking on this forum and 6speedonline. Couldn't find any threads that seemed just like this one, so here we go...

Yesterday while driving down the interstate at about 75MPH, the instrument cluster lit up like a Christmas tree (all yellow icons/messages):
1/6 - "Fault Steering lock"
2/6 - "PSM failure"
3/6 - "ABS failure"
4/6 - "Chassis system fault"
5/6 - "Fault Electric parking brake"
6/6 - "All-wheel drive system fault"

My destination was less than 10 miles away, so without any obvious issue noted while driving, I continued to the destination. I parked the car, shut it off. When I restarted, no errors. Within about a half mile, the same 6 popped back up. While driving normally, all but the "All-wheel drive system fault" yellow icon disappeared. Then, the other 5 re-alerted. This has happened three times (going from 6 messages to just the AWD message).

All of this is not giving any notable driving difference/behavior.

A few hours later, we started the car again and it almost immediately displayed a new one, this one red:
"Warning Brake force distribution"

With this red warning light on, we switched vehicles and the GTS has been parked since.

Any simple thoughts to get me started here?
Old 07-13-2020, 10:45 AM
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You need to pull the codes somehow, that’ll tell you what’s going on.

I have had a similar thing happen in the past and it could be a number of things: the brake pedal sensor, clutch pedal sensor (not applicable) or a wheel speed sensor. Getting the codes is a must with this.
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Originally Posted by dbv1
You need to pull the codes somehow, that’ll tell you what’s going on.

I have had a similar thing happen in the past and it could be a number of things: the brake pedal sensor, clutch pedal sensor (not applicable) or a wheel speed sensor. Getting the codes is a must with this.
x2 on this . Could also be low battery fault - I've read that batteries on the fritz can cause multiple random electrical faults.
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My bet is on a bad battery - when the battery is failing it can light up everything like a Christmas tree.
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Here we go...

DETAILED ECU INFO

ECU info obtained with Carista 502199 for iOS:

VIN: WP1AD2A28DLA72569

CAN network gateway
Part #: 7PP907530P
Component: zentr Gateway
Coding: 0011 (hex)
Fault codes:
01539 Headlights Not Adjusted

Engine
Part #: [none]
Component: [none]
Coding: [none]
[Failed to check fault codes]

Engine (2)
[ECU not present]

High beam assist
[ECU not present]

Transmission
Part #: 0C8927749BA
Component: AL1000 AISIN
Coding: 00B568 (hex)
Fault codes:
12835 Manufacturer-specific code
12837 Manufacturer-specific code

ABS
Part #: 7P0907379L
Component: MK25A
Coding: EB8453694B860564D781CA6CD263A0501700 (hex)
Fault codes:
74252 Manufacturer-specific code
171010 Manufacturer-specific code
73608 Manufacturer-specific code
74376 Manufacturer-specific code

Brake booster
[ECU not present]

Parking brake
Part #: 7P0907801F
Component: EPB
Coding: 01030100 (hex)
Fault codes:
00033 Tracers outlets in front on the left of (E301)
00021 Actuator shut-off valve Defrost and Dashboard Vents left (V200)
00038 Tracers outlet center console at the rear left (E306)
12656773 Manufacturer-specific code

Power steering
[ECU not present]

Steering angle
[ECU not present]

Active steering
[ECU not present]

Steering wheel
Part #: 7P5953507FJ
Component: KLSM
Coding: 916E03 (hex)
Fault codes:
12656773 Manufacturer-specific code

Airbags
Part #: 7P0959655C
Component: VW10Airbag50K
Coding: 00000000000000000000000000000000304B (hex)
[No fault codes]

Instrument cluster
Part #: 7P5920901AL
Component: KIE2 V8 ÿÿÿÿ
Coding: 4E038DD2DF1723 (hex)
Fault codes:
40967 Manufacturer-specific code
40968 Manufacturer-specific code
40969 Manufacturer-specific code
41094 Manufacturer-specific code
41296 Manufacturer-specific code
41512 Manufacturer-specific code
41591 Manufacturer-specific code

Infotainment display
[ECU not present]

Infotainment display (front)
[ECU not present]

Infotainment display (rear)
[ECU not present]

Infotainment display (rear left)
[ECU not present]

Infotainment display (rear right)
[ECU not present]

Infotainment display (roof)
[ECU not present]

Navigation
[ECU not present]

Voice control
[ECU not present]

Radio
[ECU not present]

Digital radio
[ECU not present]

Satellite radio
[ECU not present]

Sound system
Part #: [none]
Component: [none]
Coding: [none]
[Failed to check fault codes]

Media player
[ECU not present]

Media player
[ECU not present]

Media player
[ECU not present]

Media player
[ECU not present]

TV tuner
[ECU not present]

Digital TV tuner
[ECU not present]

Infotainment system
Part #: [none]
Component: [none]
Coding: [none]
[Failed to check fault codes]

Infotainment system 2
[ECU not present]

Telephone
[ECU not present]

Immobilizer
[ECU not present]

Towaway protection
[ECU not present]

Headlight aiming
Part #: 7P5907381B
Component: SWSG_RE
Coding: 0EA40C (hex)
[No fault codes]

Left headlight
[ECU not present]

Right headlight
[ECU not present]

Tire pressure monitor
Part #: 7P5907273D
Component: RDKBERU25
Coding: 02041F00 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Tire pressure monitor
[ECU not present]

Heater & air conditioning
Part #: 7P5907040AH
Component: BKE_VORN
Coding: 0580CC0500000000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Rear heater & A/C
[ECU not present]

Auxiliary heater
[ECU not present]

Auxiliary heater
[ECU not present]

Parking sensors
[ECU not present]

Parking/steering assist
Part #: 7P5919475C
Component: ParkAssistant
Coding: 000002 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Auto-leveling suspension
Part #: 7P0907553S
Component: PASM
Coding: 42710000 (hex)
Fault codes:
00786 Temperature Sensor - in Headliner (G86)
12656773 Manufacturer-specific code
00840 Relays for hydraulic pump transmission (J510)

All-wheel-drive system
Part #: 0C2927755K
Component: Allrad-HangOn
Coding: 04 (hex)
Fault codes:
00293 Multifunction Switch F125
00290 Left Rear Wheel Speed Sensor (G46)
12656773 Manufacturer-specific code

Differential lock
[ECU not present]

Chassis
[ECU not present]

Suspension
[ECU not present]

Central electronics
Part #: 7PP907064EP
Component: BCM_VORNE
Coding: 02000040715D10355C07C955313E2121222210EF020000000003079F (hex)
Fault codes:
8917506 Manufacturer-specific code
8397064 Manufacturer-specific code
12656773 Manufacturer-specific code

Central electronics 2
[ECU not present]

Body/convenience system
[ECU not present]

Body/convenience system
[ECU not present]

Driver's door
Part #: 4H0959793P
Component: TSG FA
Coding: 010F53207EA0436203850000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Front passenger's door
Part #: 4H0959792M
Component: TSG BF
Coding: 010F53207EA0436203850000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Rear left door
Part #: 4H0959795K
Component: TSG HL
Coding: 010E512021A0236013800000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Rear right door
Part #: 4H0959795K
Component: TSG HR
Coding: 010E512021A0236013800000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Trunk
Part #: 7P5959107F
Component: HDSG-Modul
Coding: 0123018123 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Driver's seat
Part #: 7PP959760C
Component: MEM-FS
Coding: 22081B002F00400000005C00000000002020 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Front passenger's seat
Part #: 7PP959760C
Component: MEM-BFS
Coding: 22001A002F00400000005400000000002020 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Rear seat
[ECU not present]

Rear seat (driver's side)
[ECU not present]

Entry assist (driver)
[ECU not present]

Entry assist (passenger)
[ECU not present]

Ignition authorization
[ECU not present]

Battery regulator
[ECU not present]

Regulator of external battery
[ECU not present]

Battery charging
[ECU not present]

Convertible top
[ECU not present]

Roof electronics
[ECU not present]

Windshield wipers
[ECU not present]

Trailer
Part #: 7P0907383F
Component: Anhaenger
Coding: 0200000000000000 (hex)
[No fault codes]

Adaptive cruise control
[ECU not present]

Lane-change system
Part #: 7P5910566D
Component: J0769_SWA_Master
Coding: 10001 (decimal)
[No fault codes]

Lane-maintain system
[ECU not present]

Position sensing
[ECU not present]

Back-up camera
Part #: 7P5907441B
Component: SG Rueckfahrkame
Coding: 7010001 (decimal)
[No fault codes]

Telematics
[ECU not present]

Driver ID
[ECU not present]

Intercom
[ECU not present]

Additional functions
[ECU not present]

Operations
[ECU not present]

Aerodynamics
[ECU not present]

Sliding door (left)
[ECU not present]

Sliding door (right)
[ECU not present]

Hybrid engine
[ECU not present]

Hybrid engine
[ECU not present]

Back-up camera
[ECU not present]

Image processing
[ECU not present]

Thermal Management
[ECU not present]

Structure-borne sound
[ECU not present]

External noise actuator
[ECU not present]

Driver assist front sensor
[ECU not present]

Rear axle steering
[ECU not present]

Rear axle steering 2
[ECU not present]

Steering column lock
[ECU not present]

Special vehicle assist
[ECU not present]

Sensor electronics
[ECU not present]

A/C compressor
[ECU not present]

3rd row seats
[ECU not present]

Gear selector switch
[ECU not present]

Heads-up display
[ECU not present]

Night view
[ECU not present]

Onboard Camera
[ECU not present]

Multicontour seat (driver)
[ECU not present]

Multicontour seat (passenger)
[ECU not present]

Multicontour rear seat (driver's side)
[ECU not present]

Multicontour rear seat (passenger's side)
[ECU not present]

Rear seat (passenger's side)
[ECU not present]

Adaptive cruise control 2
[ECU not present]

Hybrid battery
[ECU not present]

Seatbelt pretension (front left)
[ECU not present]

Seatbelt pretension (front right)
[ECU not present]

Microphone
[ECU not present]

Infotainment interface
[ECU not present]

Reductant control
[ECU not present]

Brake sensors
[ECU not present]

Roof electronics 2
[ECU not present]

Auxiliary display
[ECU not present]

Motor mounts
[ECU not present]

Rear driver's door
[ECU not present]

Rear passenger's door
[ECU not present]

Sliding door (rear, left)
[ECU not present]

Sliding door (rear, right)
[ECU not present]

Battery charging
[ECU not present]

High-volt battery charging
[ECU not present]

Transmission 2
[ECU not present]

DC/DC converter
[ECU not present]

Pedestrian protection
[ECU not present]

Sunroof
[ECU not present]

Lane-change system 2
[ECU not present]

Front axle lift
[ECU not present]

Roll control 1
[ECU not present]

Roll control 2
[ECU not present]

Light control 2 (left)
[ECU not present]

Light control 2 (right)
[ECU not present]

LED headlight power (left)
[ECU not present]

LED headlight power (right)
[ECU not present]

Additional functions 2
[ECU not present]

Trip recorder
[ECU not present]

Engine (3) / Battery (2)
[ECU not present]

Starter-generator
[ECU not present]

Wireless charging
[ECU not present]

Laser scanner
[ECU not present]

Front corner radar (1)
[ECU not present]

Front corner radar (2)
[ECU not present]

Charger for mobile devices (1)
[ECU not present]

Charger for mobile devices (2)
[ECU not present]

Sunroof (2)
[ECU not present]

Auxiliary display (1)
[ECU not present]

Multifunctional module
[ECU not present]

Drive motor 3
[ECU not present]

Telemetry
[ECU not present]

Drive motor 2
[ECU not present]

Brake assist
[ECU not present]
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That entire readout is pretty useless until you've determined if your battery is up to snuff. It's my guess your battery is low voltage. ALL those sort of error codes can be caused by this, and usually when someone shows up with a salad bowl of fault messages - it's the battery.

Get back to us after you've had a load test done on the battery. And I have no knowledge using a "Carista 502199" on a Cayenne, and have never heard it discussed being used on a Cayenne, so a lot of the stuff reported (like no convertible top ECU) are simply noise.
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Old 07-22-2020, 05:19 AM
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I had exactly the same faults.

Was two faulty speed / abs wheel sensors, cost £40 ea to replace, after purchasing a diagnostic tool and the special tool for removing rear brake caliper.
Guess speed signal used in all above.

Was an easy job to do
With Diagnostic tool
Cleared all faults, then only one general fault returned immediately
Then monitored the ABS ECU (PSM) only
Drove the car 50 meters 4 times
Monitored each speed sensor individually
Replaced failed sensors.

But please note: Do not try testing the sensors with a multi-meter as shown on YouTube.!

Ian
Porsche Cayenne diesel 2012

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I had a ton of faults one time. Replaced battery and reset and all was good. 2012 958 TT
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Originally Posted by Goody
I had exactly the same faults.

Was two faulty speed / abs wheel sensors, cost £40 ea to replace, after purchasing a diagnostic tool and the special tool for removing rear brake caliper.
Guess speed signal used in all above.

Was an easy job to do
With Diagnostic tool
Cleared all faults, then only one general fault returned immediately
Then monitored the ABS ECU (PSM) only
Drove the car 50 meters 4 times
Monitored each speed sensor individually
Replaced failed sensors.

But please note: Do not try testing the sensors with a multi-meter as shown on YouTube.!

Ian
Porsche Cayenne diesel 2012
Lots of people mentioned battery but to me, with my boating experience, that is a prerequisite of troubleshooting lol. Besides it was a new battery 2 years ago, I determined the battery was not related.

Bingo, Ian!

Two speed sensors failing. All 4 replaced. GTS is back in action!

Thanks so much for all input!
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Pleased to be of help,

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