PUZZ1

Anyone cross shop their Cayenne with the Defender 110? Starting to consider my next move now that I’m coming up on 9 years with my ‘15 Audi A8 3.0. I never really considered The Defender, but while researching CPO full sized L405 Range Rovers, they’ve started to intrigue me. A CPO Cayenne still very much on the list. Also, while I am full aware of the reliability concerns on Land Rover, I’m not sure they are hugely worse than Porsche or anything else. More interested in perspectives from those who seriously looked at Defender (or the full sized Rage for that matter) but opted for the Cayenne. I’d be looking at a base Cayenne or potentially an S for the right deal - no Turbo or GTS for me. I like them, but just not needed.

retom

It depends on what you need the car for. Defender and Cayenne are two completely different cars and it is difficult to compare them. Defender is an off-road car and Cayenne is an SUV.

rjk25

just take note 2019 and not sure how many years have the lithium battery issue thats been discussed here in depth..

Fahrfun

As already mentioned, it really depends on what you are looking for, need and/or want. If you thoroughly test drive each of your candidates, then you may find the answer yourself. I can only share my personal biased conclusion. I’ve driven the LR RR from two gens ago and the newest one when it trickled into the US market. The latter both on road and off-road experience. I also did the factory off-road in Germany last summer in the 24 Cayenne S. Close enough to your target. No defender though; was not interested in the rougher Bronco class. RR is high on interior comfort for all passengers though the latest gen seems to have cheated on rear legroom unless you opt for her majesty’s LWB. Off-road capability is insane especially when combined with the plushness. Independent wheel travel of ?? inches made me speechless. With the BMW v8 it came with, it made the 6mo old BMW x5 M50i I already had (and ditched soon thereafter) irrelevant. The Cayenne on the other hand is the driver’s SUV. More taught, but oh so sports sedan-like (amongst SUVs) in that class and then some, relatively speaking. Totally enjoying my local Porsche tours with the base Cayenne (lighter than the S) ripping through 25 mph switchbacks at 55+. Have air and rear steer. I’m in love with driving again. So the latter was for me. Still great for family road trips (reason I got it over the Macan) comfy enough and quiet enough with the ordered acoustic glass, and lots of smiles from the driver even just cruising. Porsche steering feel is sublime and worth the price of admission. If I gave up driving and just wanted to chauffeur around in greater luxury, then the RR. The Cayenne is no slouch off-road however! The ‘24 S managed 80% up & down grades and 28 degree banks (around a conical hill! Scary as hell) without a sweat on 21in all season tires. The sheer range of capability one can experience in the Cayenne between on and off road is unmatched. By design. Other brands may offer better capability in one area or another, but none wins this all rounder trophy including 7000+ lbs of towing on top. But then, a few buy these vehicles strictly for vanity. In which case none of the hard working engineers’ accomplishments are appreciated or make a difference to those buyers.

Talon38c

Land Rovers are pretty common on the westside of Los Angeles. I'd get another Grand Cherokee over a Land Rover any day. Instead, I ordered a '24 Cayenne. :-)

jlee504

I have a 2023 Land Rover defender 110, I think it's a great utilitarian car. It's big, it's very comfortable on road trips but the body roll is a big issue and to get the equivalent feeling of a cayenne pull/torque you need the V8. The V6 is just good enough but not enough to feel any performance out of.

I'll throw a curve ball at you, you should look at the bronco raptors. I just got one of those too and it's become my new favorite SUV (I also have a cayenne turbo gt). it's a blast.

alvav

Take a look at reliability ratings. Defender is a good-looking SUV but the reliability is abysmal. I believe that Land Rover products are at the very bottom of the reliability rankings. The Cayenne is consistently rated "above-average" with respect to reliability.

jlee504

I've had 3 Land Rover products, RR full, RR sport and now the defender. I really think it's overblown. I've had my P cars in for more issues than the LRs, for sure..

ranger22

I admit, I've never owned a Land Rover product, but I've know many who have and a few who will only drive LR. Based on these experiences, I've been of the opinion that the best way to buy a LR product is to get one 1-2yrs used coming in off lease. You can review the service history to see how many problems a particular vehicle had. With LR, they are either rock solid or really problematic. There doesn't seem to be an in-between.

kayjh

Are you sure?

TacoBuddy

Yes this 100% they either have minor issues or are lemon's and there seems to be little variation between but thats the problem with them, its always such a roll of the dice.

signes

It is overblown. We own three right now and have had them in the family close to 20 years. Yes some odd issues but mostly in the shop for routine maintenance, including the first model year L460 RR.

I love people that profess knowledge without ever having owned one.

To the OP, my view of the 110 is a very solid truck, overall good performer but I found value lacking for the interior finishes you get.

alvav

Personal opinions/anecdotes/etc are nice and all but hard data trumps all. Bottom line is LR is rated at 30 out of 100 wrt reliability and 2 out of 5 wrt owner satisfaction. Road test was far from stellar as well. That means that 2 out of 5 were, indeed, satisfied. But odds are against you.

kayjh

And the CR reliability and satisfaction ratings are from surveys of owners of these vehicles.

alvav

Well, yeah. That's my point. There are people perfectly happy with the drive and reliability of the Defender; just not too many of them. Otherwise, it would be "0". But, hey; for some, reliability isn't everything. Otherwise, we'd all be driving Toyota's and Honda's.