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Old 04-08-2018, 04:17 PM
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If Porsche placed the 9000 rpm GT3 engine in the GT4, would the GT3 be obsolete and be replaced by the GT4?
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No, Porsche will never replace a 911 with a Cayman.
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They already have : RSR
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GT4 will only have 420 HP max. That's no replacement for GT3.
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Front engine V12s were always the sine qua non for Ferrari. The little mid-engine V8s were the high-volume, low-price entry models that initially weren't even allowed to be called Ferraris.

And then one day they became the models that carried the ultimate performance torch for Ferrari, the cars on which the race models were homologated. The track-day Speciales. And even so, the V12s still remain at the top of the price and exclusivity heap. The sportiest of GTs, or maybe the GT-est of sportscars. The client who wants the V12 Ferrari is not put off by the fact the V8 Ferrari has a faster Ring time or even possibly quarter mile (not sure if they do or not); he maturely acknowledges that he (or she) is getting the "best" Ferrari, as evidenced by it's price, and is not bothered by the little mid-engined ones running around the world's tracks.

Porsche could easily migrate in this same direction and do so profitably.

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In a word, yes.
Unless it's a turbo as suspected.
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Originally Posted by Dr.Bill
In a word, yes.
Unless it's a turbo as suspected.
+1
If the GT4 is not a turbo, then increasing engine output in that NA engine pushes it to rival the NA GT3, but with a better chassis/engine placement. When these become close they might become redundant.
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Originally Posted by Perimeter
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If the GT4 is not a turbo, then increasing engine output in that NA engine pushes it to rival the NA GT3, but with a better chassis/engine placement. When these become close they might become redundant.
When the GT4 includes a multi-link rear suspension, then we can start considering the idea of it being a higher performing chassis than the GT3
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For Porsche, putting a multi-link rear suspension into the existing Cayman is relatively trivial. It is no different than their limiting of the engine that goes into the car.
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Originally Posted by vantage
For Porsche, putting a multi-link rear suspension into the existing Cayman is relatively trivial. It is no different than their limiting of the engine that goes into the car.
I had heard it was a packaging issue to some degree (in addition to the sandbagging you mention). Would you lose some rear storage or cause any other issue?

I've heard good things about this mod, but not sure if it avoids all the packaging issues:
https://www.autoquestcars.com/custom-09
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the cayman GT4 will always live in the shadow of the GT3
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Originally Posted by NoGaBiker
Front engine V12s were always the sine qua non for Ferrari. The little mid-engine V8s were the high-volume, low-price entry models that initially weren't even allowed to be called Ferraris.

And then one day they became the models that carried the ultimate performance torch for Ferrari, the cars on which the race models were homologated. The track-day Speciales. And even so, the V12s still remain at the top of the price and exclusivity heap. The sportiest of GTs, or maybe the GT-est of sportscars. The client who wants the V12 Ferrari is not put off by the fact the V8 Ferrari has a faster Ring time or even possibly quarter mile (not sure if they do or not); he maturely acknowledges that he (or she) is getting the "best" Ferrari, as evidenced by it's price, and is not bothered by the little mid-engined ones running around the world's tracks.

Porsche could easily migrate in this same direction and do so profitably.
^ This

Porsche please listen and give us a fire breathing mid-engine monster! You can save...uh...the centerlocks for the 911 so everyone knows those are the 'better' model.
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Originally Posted by switchface
^ This

Porsche please listen and give us a fire breathing mid-engine monster! You can save...uh...the centerlocks for the 911 so everyone knows those are the 'better' model.
Gotta give you credit for that one - Centerlocks really are unnecessary and a PIA...
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Originally Posted by Perimeter
If Porsche placed the 9000 rpm GT3 engine in the GT4, would the GT3 be obsolete and be replaced by the GT4?
No, the 911 is beloved platform. But I'm totally in favor of making the GT4 all it can be.


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