(Hopefully) Constructive "things you don't like/hate about your Macan" thread
#136
Rennlist Member
I've discussed in other threads how I spent over a year deciding between the base Macan and the Macan S: Having owned two Panameras with up to 462 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque, I wasn't looking at a Macan to compete but rather as a useful daily vehicle with higher ground clearance that I can take places that I can't so easily take my Panamera. For the better part of a year, I wouldn't even consider a base Macan (even though I'd never driven one); I thought "no way" was I going to buy a 4-cylinder Porsche, so I was close-minded on the issue. But when I told my salesman that I wanted something that I could take more places than my Panamera, and knowing that I was focussing on Cayennes and Macans, he one day suggested that I test-drive a base Macan (knowing that the Macan S wasn't impressing me for the cost, and the Cayenne was too truck-like), and I did. (In proper context, I was delaying on buying a 2018 Macan because I strongly dislike the old infotainment screen and knew that the new-gen Panamera/Cayenne screen was coming to the 2019 Macan, so no way was I buying a pre-2019 Macan; that gave me over a year to really think before I bought my 2019 Macan.). I was pleasantly surprised, especially comparing driving a base with a Macan S on the same day (and multiple days, multiple different bases and Ss). I came to the conclusion that the S wasn't all that much better than the base, and that I could save some serious money by going with the base. I special-ordered a 2019 base Macan last year and have been very happy with my decision after 13.5k miles and 8 months; glad that I didn't get the S, because we're getting a new car for my wife this year and probably another Porsche for me next year.
But one thing that I've noticed, which is much-commented on about Porsches: their onboard computers apparently learn your style of driving, and adjust the transmission gear-changing accordingly. I'm a fast driver, and my base Macan quickly learned my style and is very fast from zero, and just a wonderful-accelerating vehicle. In some of my driving of loaner base Macans and test-driven new base Macans, I've noticed that the "computer learning" wasn't in place "yet", and they didn't accelerate as quickly as mine does -- or at least I'm assuming that's why there's a noticeable difference in various base Macans that I've driven. I'm sure that's also true for different Macan S vehicles -- that some are computer-mapped differently from others, based on who's been driving them. Does my base Macan accelerate as fast as my 462-hp Panamera? Of course not. But then it cost less than half as much, and it's a very different type of vehicle. I see lots of Macans in my local area on the streets here, every day, and I rarely see one that's being driven fast, like I drive. I see lots of Ss, as well as some base Macans, and the occasional Turbo or GTS, but few of their drivers seem interested in driving faster than the Toyotas and Kias all around us, so I'm not sure what the obsession is with the V6.
But one thing that I've noticed, which is much-commented on about Porsches: their onboard computers apparently learn your style of driving, and adjust the transmission gear-changing accordingly. I'm a fast driver, and my base Macan quickly learned my style and is very fast from zero, and just a wonderful-accelerating vehicle. In some of my driving of loaner base Macans and test-driven new base Macans, I've noticed that the "computer learning" wasn't in place "yet", and they didn't accelerate as quickly as mine does -- or at least I'm assuming that's why there's a noticeable difference in various base Macans that I've driven. I'm sure that's also true for different Macan S vehicles -- that some are computer-mapped differently from others, based on who's been driving them. Does my base Macan accelerate as fast as my 462-hp Panamera? Of course not. But then it cost less than half as much, and it's a very different type of vehicle. I see lots of Macans in my local area on the streets here, every day, and I rarely see one that's being driven fast, like I drive. I see lots of Ss, as well as some base Macans, and the occasional Turbo or GTS, but few of their drivers seem interested in driving faster than the Toyotas and Kias all around us, so I'm not sure what the obsession is with the V6.
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
#137
Pro
Thanks for sharing this experience! That’s helpful. I have a 911 so I don’t expect to duplicate that. My concern is highway use. I live at the beach in Delaware, and need to commute to an apartment in D.C. weekly. There are two lane country roads for about half of the commute, so I need something that can overtake slower cars at the short passing lanes. Does the four banger have the stuff for that? I intend to get the sport chrono, so maybe that would help with passing?
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
#138
Racer
Thanks for sharing this experience! That’s helpful. I have a 911 so I don’t expect to duplicate that. My concern is highway use. I live at the beach in Delaware, and need to commute to an apartment in D.C. weekly. There are two lane country roads for about half of the commute, so I need something that can overtake slower cars at the short passing lanes. Does the four banger have the stuff for that? I intend to get the sport chrono, so maybe that would help with passing?
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan
vs
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan-s
For example 60-80 kph is 1.6 sec vs. 0.9 sec in the Macan vs. Macan S, or 50-70 kph is by comparison 1.1 vs. 0.9 sec.
I would think your savings on gasoline with the base vs. the S would make a big difference in your commute over time, as well.
Last edited by tk-porsche; 02-22-2020 at 12:12 AM.
#139
Pro
The key here is not the 0-60 acceleration tome, but when you are already at ome hoghway speed and need rapid acceleration to overtake a vehicle, or other required quick adjustment. These charts might help:
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan
vs
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan-s
For example 60-80 mph is 1.6 sec vs. 0.9 sec in the Macan vs. Macan S, or 50-70 mph is by comparison 1.1 vs. 0.9 sec.
I would thiink your savings on gasoline with the base vs. the S would make a big difference in your commute over time, as well.
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan
vs
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan-s
For example 60-80 mph is 1.6 sec vs. 0.9 sec in the Macan vs. Macan S, or 50-70 mph is by comparison 1.1 vs. 0.9 sec.
I would thiink your savings on gasoline with the base vs. the S would make a big difference in your commute over time, as well.
#140
Racer
More realistic is 100 kph to 120 kph (around 60-70 mph): 5.3 sec vs. 2.8 sec for the base vs. S. That's a really big difference!]
That said, my X3 28i xDrive (4-cyl, 2.0 liter, 240 bhp)) has never lacked for acceleration when I've needed it, it seems (also around 5.3 sec from 100 to 120 kph).
That said, my X3 28i xDrive (4-cyl, 2.0 liter, 240 bhp)) has never lacked for acceleration when I've needed it, it seems (also around 5.3 sec from 100 to 120 kph).
Last edited by tk-porsche; 02-22-2020 at 10:39 AM.
#141
Rennlist Member
The key here is not the 0-60 mph acceleration time, but when you are already at some highway speed and need rapid acceleration to overtake a vehicle, or other required quick adjustment. These charts might help:
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan
vs
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan-s
For example 60-80 kph is 1.6 sec vs. 0.9 sec in the Macan vs. Macan S, or 50-70 kph is by comparison 1.1 vs. 0.9 sec.
I would think your savings on gasoline with the base vs. the S would make a big difference in your commute over time, as well.
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan
vs
http://accelerationtimes.com/models/porsche-macan-s
For example 60-80 kph is 1.6 sec vs. 0.9 sec in the Macan vs. Macan S, or 50-70 kph is by comparison 1.1 vs. 0.9 sec.
I would think your savings on gasoline with the base vs. the S would make a big difference in your commute over time, as well.
Also thanks for the other replies. I’ll take a look at both next week.
#142
Racer
Happy to help! Again, sorry, the acceleration times on those charts are in kph, not mph, but easy enough to convert ( 1 mph = 1.609344 kph; 1.61 is close enough for calculations of this nature).
#143
Three Wheelin'
Thanks for sharing this experience! That’s helpful. I have a 911 so I don’t expect to duplicate that. My concern is highway use. I live at the beach in Delaware, and need to commute to an apartment in D.C. weekly. There are two lane country roads for about half of the commute, so I need something that can overtake slower cars at the short passing lanes. Does the four banger have the stuff for that? I intend to get the sport chrono, so maybe that would help with passing?
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
Last edited by n2cars; 02-22-2020 at 03:31 PM.
#144
Racer
This discussion reminds me of the old bear joke. Out in the woods, one camper asks another why they are wearing running shoes instead of hiking boots. The reponse is so that I can run in case a bear chases us. The person is asked whether they think they can outrun a bear?! The response is of course not, but there is no need to outrun the bear, just anyone else!
The point is, even a base model will give you acceleration above the average other motorist out there and, yes, having some extra umph is nice, but how often is it really necessary? Granted, I have not driven that much in the eastern US but am aware of the traffic congestion after a recent trip to North Carolina. Even the basic rental car we had proved to be adequate. Also, if the average speed of traffic is 70-80 mph, what need is there really to go any faster?
But to each their own ... if someone wants to pay the extra up-front and on-going operating costs of an S or Turbo and can afford it, that is their prerogative.
The point is, even a base model will give you acceleration above the average other motorist out there and, yes, having some extra umph is nice, but how often is it really necessary? Granted, I have not driven that much in the eastern US but am aware of the traffic congestion after a recent trip to North Carolina. Even the basic rental car we had proved to be adequate. Also, if the average speed of traffic is 70-80 mph, what need is there really to go any faster?
But to each their own ... if someone wants to pay the extra up-front and on-going operating costs of an S or Turbo and can afford it, that is their prerogative.
#145
Burning Brakes
Thanks for sharing this experience! That’s helpful. I have a 911 so I don’t expect to duplicate that. My concern is highway use. I live at the beach in Delaware, and need to commute to an apartment in D.C. weekly. There are two lane country roads for about half of the commute, so I need something that can overtake slower cars at the short passing lanes. Does the four banger have the stuff for that? I intend to get the sport chrono, so maybe that would help with passing?
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
One final point. I am going to lease and a fully loaded base versus S is about a couple hundred a month difference.
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#146
Instructor
The key-based seat memory seems to be unreliable. Often when I get in with my key, the seat position moves, but is too far back, so I'll move the seat forward, hit the Save to Key button to lock it in, but then next time I get in it seems to be back to too far back. Other times it seems to work move itself into the more forward position. The saved mirror positions seem to be correct all the time, just the seat position is not consistent.
From my experience, you have to hit set and then the number to save your seating position, and then hit set and the key button as well to save it to the key.
There's also a "comfort access" or something feature that moves the seat back when you get out. It should move it back automatically when the door is closed though when you get back in.
There's also a "comfort access" or something feature that moves the seat back when you get out. It should move it back automatically when the door is closed though when you get back in.
Both my cars have PPP, including Entry and Drive, which I like. On either, press and hold "SET" until it beeps and lights. Release and immediately press and hold the number you wish to save those settings to until it beeps. If you wish to save the settings so that your car will recognize which key fob you have in your possession, press and hold "SET until it beeps and lights, then press and hold the "Key" button until it beeps. This will save the current seat / outside mirrors but not the rearview. That's it, don't press "SET" again. The problem I have is the "comfort access" setting causes my automatic settings to be confused, intermittently not returning the driver's seat to the correct position. Sometimes it moves a little, sometimes halfway, sometimes not at all until I press a button. Not uncommon and my dealer can't seem to fix it as it's intermittent and hard to replicate. I have demonstrated this behavior to the service advisor who acknowledges the problem but still no fix. My only fix is to turn off the "comfort access". This has resolved the issue as the seat doesn't move back when I shut it off so it doesn't have to return to the correct position. With "comfort access" off, it properly distinguished between my fob / settings and my wife's fob / settings. Since my back seats are always down, thought maybe it's bumping into the headrest with "comfort access" enabled but can't see evidence of this being the issue. Could return the seat to the upright position but don't want to have to leave it upright even if that fixes the issue.
When I first bought it, the right side mirror dipped when placed in reverse but stopped for some reason. Dealer had to reset some timer in PIWIS and it has worked fine since.
Twin Turbo V6 lags at low RPM in normal mode, improves in Sport but it's a turbo after all. The four didn't have enough power for me and even with PSE on the SE models, sound is wimpy. Pre 2019 S exhaust is a big improvement. Only get 16 mpg in normal mode using premium without ethanol combined driving is a little disappointing. And I don't drive fast.
Have 14 ways in my Macan, 18 ways in my 981 GTS. Macan replaced my 4WD Tacoma DD and wanted AWD or 4WD minimum. Test drove Bimmers, MB, Tacomas etc and found the Macan 14 ways ventilated / heated were the most comfortable seats available for me … have had 3 fusions and a spinal cord stimulator and must have adjustable lumbar support.
Never activated Porsche Connect, not even the "free" year. Useless to me but wanted NAV.
For those complaining about brake dust, my Porsche sports cars have all been much, much worse. IMO the brakes have excellent feel and love love love the functionality of the "Hold" when stopped. My 981's "Hold" feature only works on steep inclines, wish it worked like my Macan's on flat surfaces. Mine came with 20 inch black wheels, looks great but would have been happier with better riding, quieter 19s.
Warms up enough for the heater to work in a couple miles. As soon as you start it the engine temperature indicator starts to climb, not sure where it's located but the water jacket temp lags. My 981 GTS seems like forever to warm up.
Overall am very satisfied with my Macan S and would purchase again. IMO the difference between the S and the base is worth the cost, much of which will be regained on the back end.
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peterp (02-22-2020)
#147
Racer
I have driven across the USA in my base Macan, on lots of two-lane roads where I've needed to pass quickly. Not an issue. In fact, I've not noted any significant difference in getting the power I need to accelerate from, say, 50 mph to 80 mph quickly, vs. my 462-hp Panamera (which can do 0-60 in well under 4 sec). Never have I been concerned in passing quickly in my base Macan -- but then I don't do risky passing, either (nor should anybody).
#148
Rennlist Member
#149
Burning Brakes
I did a 6200-mile trip across the USA last summer and averaged 28-29 mpg on open, flat highways usually. I drive fast, but usually use ACC for long drives, and I notice that that helps gas consumption. Mostly interstate driving to go the long distances, but lots of 2-lane roads of all sorts (winding, mountains, gravel and dirt roads, cities, towns) outside of the long day drives. I'll have to check my records to see what the average for the entire trip was (I write down odometer mileage with each fill-up receipt, which includes gallons filled), but I'd guess 25-26 mpg average for the whole trip. I can say that my Macan is the best long-distance cruiser I've ever driven outside of my 2018 Panamera.
#150
Racer
I did a 6200-mile trip across the USA last summer and averaged 28-29 mpg on open, flat highways usually. I drive fast, but usually use ACC for long drives, and I notice that that helps gas consumption. Mostly interstate driving to go the long distances, but lots of 2-lane roads of all sorts (winding, mountains, gravel and dirt roads, cities, towns) outside of the long day drives. I'll have to check my records to see what the average for the entire trip was (I write down odometer mileage with each fill-up receipt, which includes gallons filled), but I'd guess 25-26 mpg average for the whole trip. I can say that my Macan is the best long-distance cruiser I've ever driven outside of my 2018 Panamera.