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Oh thanks. So essentially the older Gen engines were Porsche sourced and the newer ones are audi sourced?
The big news of the day is that “Audi” and “Porsche” are really Volkswagens. Same with Bentleys and Lambos.
“Audi-sourced” engines simply means Hans and Fritz from Audi department did the engineering work, because their cubicle neighbors Lars and Sven from the Porsche department were too busy. Hans and Fritz most likely reached over and borrowed Lars’ and Sven’s engineering handbooks while designing cams, cranks and blocks.
Another more likely scenario is VW eliminated Porsche base engine engineering staff to concentrate the work where it makes the most sense to them (Audi in this case). Clearly for the boxer engines there are no other platforms besides 911 and 718/982 that use them, so these are uniquely Porsche engines. And yet still Volkswagens.
Audi-sourced means nothing. Powertrains are more and more software defined (aka “tuned”) and use the same hardware (cam lift, cam timing, cams, cranks, transmissions, axles, steerin, suspensions) across brands.
They're all great engines but all feel different as implemented, so the best thing to do is drive each and see which you like best for how you drive.
* Lars & Sven are common Scandinavian names but otherwise Chassis' points are spot on. It's all the same umbrella company and sharing of the best tech makes more financial sense for them. The only "bad" engine in any of these companies' cars (IMVHO) was the lower HP 2-liter that was in the Audi Q3 a few years back...it was kind of a dog as implemented.
The main difference between the Porsche engines and the Audi/VW engines are that when they leak oil, it costs $15000 to fix the former and $1500 to fix the latter.
Beating a dead horse a bit further, service tools for Porsche and Audi are in fact VW service tools. One example is the standard adjustable dipstick VW P/N T40178, to measure engine oil level for engines without a factory supplied dipstick (most engines these days. Interestingly, engines with no dipstick (EA839 2.9/3.0 V6) have a dipstick tube and plug or stopper.
Thanks. Interesting it looks like earlier Porsche designed engines are prone to oil leaks. But it could just be the age. Also, I am reading transfer case issues. Was that fixed in later 2017/18 models?
Lastly, the Gen. II models, apart from new engines, LED lights, and new PCM, what other updates have they had? They do seem to demand a large premium.
Lastly, the Gen. II models, apart from new engines, LED lights, and new PCM, what other updates have they had? They do seem to demand a large premium.
Not much else I can think of other than the Sport Chrono selector dial / Sport Response button on the steering wheel. There is likely some programming changes in the PDK. Also the console armrest has a locking lever.
Its probably mostly higher mileage causing the lower prices but I'm not surprised that the typical Porsche demographic wants the more updated design/infotainment, making the Gen 1 a good value.
Not much else I can think of other than the Sport Chrono selector dial / Sport Response button on the steering wheel. There is likely some programming changes in the PDK. Also the console armrest has a locking lever.
Its probably mostly higher mileage causing the lower prices but I'm not surprised that the typical Porsche demographic wants the more updated design/infotainment, making the Gen 1 a good value.
Thanks, I do like the new PCM and better CarPlay integration, but apart from that I don’t see a huge difference otherwise. Basically for the same price you can get a better trim going from 2019/20 to 2017/18.
Train your foot to use pedal velocity. For example, practice commanding 1-gear downshifts and 2-gear downshifts at constant speed, for example 45mph or 60mph. Another training exercise is to start at 30mph and slowly and smoothly continue to depress the accel pedal almost to the floor without experiencing a gear kickdown.
Haven't heard this before. Very cool. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, I do like the new PCM and better CarPlay integration, but apart from that I don’t see a huge difference otherwise. Basically for the same price you can get a better trim going from 2019/20 to 2017/18.
If you use Carplay/Android auto, then the OEM screen size on the 2019+ PCM is no larger than the 2018. There are ways to get it full screen however I am fine with that partial screen setup which seems smaller than the prior PCM screen based on photos I have seen.
Loving our 2018 GTS. Screen is big enough and love the actual buttons on the centre consul.
The engine has more than enough skootch to it, especially when driving in Sport (98% of my driving) and putting your foot (AKA "pedal commander") into it. I also tend to manually paddle shift it, holding the revs to where I want them. It's a fun car (not to compare to my 2011 987.2 Spyder which is in a totally different league of driving car. Sublime.).
I’ve got a 2021 GTS that I’ll be selling once new one comes in, about 30 days. Light silver with black and chalk interior ($88k msrp), 21k miles car, 23. O the old, car is perfect, one owner, no smoking etc. interested?
I am leaning towards Gen. 1, 2017/18 models, and mostly GTS. I am finding the look of the rear end much much more elegant and almost 980 like! It's a total mess in new gen. It also has almost the same features as later models at much reduced price.
ONE question, it's next to impossible to find ANYONE who have picked Adaptive Cruise Control as an option, which is crazy to me, as it was a cheap option and once you have one, you can't go back as it's so much easier to drive in traffic with it. Is it possible to retrofit it later? I assume cost prohibitive, but just curious if it can be added at $2-3K or so of cost.
I am leaning towards Gen. 1, 2017/18 models, and mostly GTS. I am finding the look of the rear end much much more elegant and almost 980 like! It's a total mess in new gen. It also has almost the same features as later models at much reduced price.
ONE question, it's next to impossible to find ANYONE who have picked Adaptive Cruise Control as an option, which is crazy to me, as it was a cheap option and once you have one, you can't go back as it's so much easier to drive in traffic with it. Is it possible to retrofit it later? I assume cost prohibitive, but just curious if it can be added at $2-3K or so of cost.
I have a 2018 S model and optioned the ACC and find it to be a best feature. Keep looking. It works really well.
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