carbondan

How has support, maintenance, and parts availability compared between the 991.1 cup and gt3r? Im thinning of trading up my cup for a freshly rebuilt r.

RSRRacer

991 R engine and trans rebuild costs are more than double a regular cup car. Parts hard to get. Take cup car and multiply by 3.

Ask Autometrics - they have done a bunch of rebuilds and maintenance.

Cadaver

Interesting. However, I draw the following conclusion that only further supports a particular saying I was told by a good friend, the one and only Porsche Doctor at RennsportKC.

“the cheapest part of buying a cup car, is buying a cup car”

I’ve run sprint challenge, pca, IGT and the car cost is irrelevant. It’s only an entry point. By the time you go through 2 sets of stickers and fuel, you’re down $10k for the weekend. Add travel, support, repairs, setup, post race maintenance, etc. It can make a weekend cost $20k easily.

But, who gives a f, can’t take it with me later. It’s worth the therapy and sanity. Just nothing like wheel to wheel action. Screw retirement, I’m happy. Some 2023 pics to get you suckas psyched up! Bring on VIR next weekend!

MSR Racer

This is very typical. I bought and sold several Porsche cups ranging from 996 to 991.1s. I never lost money on the purchase price to sale price. However, I spent epic amount of money in maintenance and rebuilds. I always laugh when potential buyers ask me if the car has new pads and rotors. I would tell them that if you have ask me that question, you can’t afford a cup car!!!

Race car is usually the cheapest part of racing.

smf32s

You have done too well on your cars. Always enjoy seeing you at the track.

I have a 997 R with a zero hour engine and less than an hour in the trans ready soon if anyone is looking. I'm always open to offers.

I have a huge spares package too. Wheels and body.

Stu
Stuart at owlpest dot com

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RSRRacer

So that I can maintain my favorable arbitrage / scheme, I hereby offer you 85,000. 😂😂😂

sbelles

So which of the Cups was the most fun? I've heard a number of pro drivers say that GT3 Cups a some of the best race cars they've ever driven. More horsepower is obviously a plus but not the only thing that makes a good race car. I'm about to embark on my first Cup adventure with a 997.1. I haven't even driven the thing yet as it needs a refresh but I can't wait. I was originally thinking 996 but the sequential is an alluring thing. I just hope I can adjust to not manually blipping.

...and only $50k in damage repair over 20 years is pretty incredible.

RSRRacer

For pure adrenaline rush, the GT3R is hard to beat. Then again, it would be cheaper to heat your home by burning $20 dollar bills. The 996 cups are probably the most rewarding due to the manual box. The 991 Cups are very comfortable to drive quickly, so for the aging amateur like me it makes sense and why I just bought another one. The 997 platform was my least enjoyable due to the sequential. For me personally, if I were to get a 997 cup I would convert to paddle shift and it would be more enjoyable. I'm sure you will enjoy yours - this is just my observation.

smf32s

I will speak to my financial advisor at Silicon Valley Bank for advisement and get back to you.
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sbelles

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LOL. We shall see. A totally manual car sounds like a fun challenge but I just hit 60 so I may be wanting to add those flappy paddles after a few days. I kind of thought it might be ABS I would want first if I start flat spotting Pirellis though.

MSTACH

Scott if you do ABS Bosch M5 is awesome and addictive!😀

Oddjob

Did I incorrectly read (somewhere else) that M5 ABS may be hard to adapt to 997's? Or no different than M4 units?

I made the jump to a 997.1 last year. Can't really drive the car around on the street to learn it. So took a couple events to get used to the sequential shifting for me, that the trans has to be under load for upshifts and the quick timing of coming off the clutch on downshifts. I think it's kinda fun compared to a standard H box.

Nizer

Similar to my experience. Nice to see someone else with Cup ADD.

CRex

Great post OP--you've done well!!

For those who haven't given this topic much thought yet... the table speaks to the capital value of the cars but not the operating+maintenance aspect. That is a HUGE element when the lifing of practically everything gets reflected in a sophisticated transaction.

Drivetrains and corners are depreciated over their designed life. It comes down to about EUR3,000 per hour to run current-gen GT3 competitively, about half that for Cups. This is all before consumables and spares. In other words, the owner needs to invest that much per hour, just to upkeep the car in the condition in which it was acquired.

In the end, one must have put in serious money to fetch the kind of sale price the OP achieved. It's a great report card nonetheless--clearly there's a reputation of quality and proper care!

hsb1001

Great Post! I go through cars like underwear at times LOL

But Cup cars is something I now tend to steer clear of due to high costs to rebuild/replace things. I was close to pulling the trigger on a 991.2R a few months back but decided that sticking with the Aero and carbon tub cars makes it far more of an enjoyable experience for me (pure amateur here). I think Cup's are a the next step above a street car but nothing like a full blown race car which truly is addictive as OP said on the R due to power and adrenaline.