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Old 10-15-2023, 02:41 PM
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I am trying to conclude if the coolant pipe design / adhesive is common between road GT3’s and Cups. There is a ton of info on GT3’s but very little specific info on Cup cars likely due to lesser build quantities. I am specifically interested in the 2nd Gen 3.8 which I have read may differ from the 1st gen as the adhesive was improved. The only info I found is attached which is from 2018.

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1. Is the coolant line design common between 7.2 GT3 and 7.2 GT3 Cup
2. Is it recommended to have Cup coolant line modified, weld or pin
3. Do HPDE or race org require the modification

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Well at over a hundred views and zero responses I will assume that I am over thinking this one.... not an issue on 7.2 Cups... unless someone says otherwise
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My 997.1 cup had a failure in the epoxy after a motorsport rebuild. Caught before catastrophic failure. I had the motor pulled and welded in sharkwerks couplers.
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Yes, these parts and the adhesive is in common.

Very few cups has suffered this fate. I would more attribute this to the lack of heat cycles for the adhesive. While a street car may see 500 heat cycles of the engine in a year it would take more like 5 to 10 years for a race car to see that many heat cycles.

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Originally Posted by Ecosse911
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...n-997-cup.html

I am trying to conclude if the coolant pipe design / adhesive is common between road GT3’s and Cups. There is a ton of info on GT3’s but very little specific info on Cup cars likely due to lesser build quantities. I am specifically interested in the 2nd Gen 3.8 which I have read may differ from the 1st gen as the adhesive was improved. The only info I found is attached which is from 2018.

My questions
1. Is the coolant line design common between 7.2 GT3 and 7.2 GT3 Cup
2. Is it recommended to have Cup coolant line modified, weld or pin
3. Do HPDE or race org require the modification

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I personally would find the use of any adhesive suspect. My preference is welding. I can’t imagine why this wasn’t done in the first place.

I can’t help you with questions 1 and 2.
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I have been researching pinning the lines as I plan to do it myself. I stumbled on a comment by Sharkwerks that the cup cars are different and have a threaded connection (see first paragraph in the screenshot)

https://www.sharkwerks.com/tech-arti...gt2-turbo-cars





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Originally Posted by Ecosse911
I have been researching pinning the lines as I plan to do it myself. I stumbled on a comment by Sharkwerks that the cup cars are different and have a threaded connection (see first paragraph in the screenshot)

https://www.sharkwerks.com/tech-arti...gt2-turbo-cars


My 2006 cup definitely did not have a threaded connection. I saw it disassembled before the pipes were welded and was just like my 2008 street GT3 coolant pipes.
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Originally Posted by J. Kid
My 2006 cup definitely did not have a threaded connection. I saw it disassembled before the pipes were welded and was just like my 2008 street GT3 coolant pipes.
Maybe I read the sentence out of context but if so the Sharkwerks blurb is a little misleading. The car arrives in 3 weeks and I am guessing based on your response (as well as other web based comments on 7.2 cup adhesive) it’s going to have the same bonded in slip fit extruded pipes. At least I now know how to pin the lines. It looks time consuming but not overly complex.



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