View Poll Results: Who's at fault?
white 944
43
24.29%
orange SPB
134
75.71%
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Who's at fault?
07-26-2017, 03:11 PM
#166
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Yes. But....
Clearly not what happened hear. And, rookie drivers should refrain from "quickly calculating" which is what happened here. He quickly miscalculated his closing speed and rubbed a little paint in doing so.
Clearly not what happened hear. And, rookie drivers should refrain from "quickly calculating" which is what happened here. He quickly miscalculated his closing speed and rubbed a little paint in doing so.
07-26-2017, 04:11 PM
#167
Burning Brakes
For those of us who have raced a lot, this is a common situation - coming up on a slower car and deciding what to do.
And speaking for myself, although my guess is most others agree, if I do not know the driving habits of the car that I want to pass, and I believe the driver is disproportionately slow, I figure the driver does not know what he is doing and cannot be trusted. And that is the difference race experience brings.
I get that the 944 should have seen you. But what if he didn't. And now you know the answer to that.
In a perfect world, I would be faster than Savenor and Scotto....and Katz
And speaking for myself, although my guess is most others agree, if I do not know the driving habits of the car that I want to pass, and I believe the driver is disproportionately slow, I figure the driver does not know what he is doing and cannot be trusted. And that is the difference race experience brings.
I get that the 944 should have seen you. But what if he didn't. And now you know the answer to that.
In a perfect world, I would be faster than Savenor and Scotto....and Katz
Last edited by bauerjab; 07-26-2017 at 04:42 PM.
07-26-2017, 04:22 PM
#168
Instructor
Feels like this horse is plenty dead and beaten so will attempt to add some closure and levity.
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
I look forward to seeing you on a racetrack with PCA in the future and learning from this. Until that time - my friend's who got 13-13s went WRL and AER racing where nothing is attempted that's questionable because it's a LONG race - that helps work through the patience side of racing.
Peace out.
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
I look forward to seeing you on a racetrack with PCA in the future and learning from this. Until that time - my friend's who got 13-13s went WRL and AER racing where nothing is attempted that's questionable because it's a LONG race - that helps work through the patience side of racing.
Peace out.
07-26-2017, 04:23 PM
#169
Wow! It seems like the RL detectives are revealing more skeletons. No wonder the poll fault ratio has escalated as more and more are getting the other side of the story.
Makes one wonder how he got approved for PCA CR in the first place and if a "rubbing allowed" event organization would be a better place for him.
I sure hope that he won't continue with this attitude in the upper DE groups while he figures out his path forward during his CR vacation.
Makes one wonder how he got approved for PCA CR in the first place and if a "rubbing allowed" event organization would be a better place for him.
I sure hope that he won't continue with this attitude in the upper DE groups while he figures out his path forward during his CR vacation.
07-26-2017, 04:32 PM
#170
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Feels like this horse is plenty dead and beaten so will attempt to add some closure and levity.
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HSpx3aBq8
I look forward to seeing you on a racetrack with PCA in the future and learning from this. Until that time - my friend's who got 13-13s went WRL and AER racing where nothing is attempted that's questionable because it's a LONG race - that helps work through the patience side of racing.
Peace out.
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HSpx3aBq8
I look forward to seeing you on a racetrack with PCA in the future and learning from this. Until that time - my friend's who got 13-13s went WRL and AER racing where nothing is attempted that's questionable because it's a LONG race - that helps work through the patience side of racing.
Peace out.
07-26-2017, 05:26 PM
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Just to be clear when I went through rookie school at Sebring in 2015 they said no one owns the corner. There is, however, more of an onus on the passing car to make a clean pass, but if the car ahead owned every corner we could not have many passes.
I also had a guy debating the steward in my orientation class. He said he was national champion in Jamaica back in the 70s. Do they even have race tracks in Jamaica?
Feels like this horse is plenty dead and beaten so will attempt to add some closure and levity.
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
Sometimes 13-13 affects very good and clean drivers who catch bad breaks within 12 months - like my friends Dunn and Quigley... which was ashamed. But the rules are there to protect all the other drivers/cars (and yourself) from the Kogay's of the world and I've been on the track with these types (trust me... recently). If you're not familiar with what crazy looks like on a track.. watch this video for a laugh:
Sorry to see this happen. As others has said, much respect for putting this out there...
I remember at LRP you had some strong opinions on passing rules during the rookie orientation class and even tried to have a short debate with the steward who was presenting about just this sort of pass...
Having just gone through the SCCA rookie school at that time myself, I couldn't help thinking how much more side-by-side the whole thing was and reflected on it while you were trying to make your points. I can understand your perspective--and I'm by no means saying it's not a valid one--there are certainly sanctioning bodies with contact rules that align more with your philosophy. However, in PCA: the car in front has the corner. Period. If they begin a turn-in and you're not ahead of them you hold back. Try again at the next opportunity. Frustrating sometimes, but pretty simple.
All that said, if you come back to PCA I hope you remember it's much more important to bring our cars home without damage than it is to win a club race. They're expensive cars and even seemingly minor damage can really hurt.
I remember at LRP you had some strong opinions on passing rules during the rookie orientation class and even tried to have a short debate with the steward who was presenting about just this sort of pass...
Having just gone through the SCCA rookie school at that time myself, I couldn't help thinking how much more side-by-side the whole thing was and reflected on it while you were trying to make your points. I can understand your perspective--and I'm by no means saying it's not a valid one--there are certainly sanctioning bodies with contact rules that align more with your philosophy. However, in PCA: the car in front has the corner. Period. If they begin a turn-in and you're not ahead of them you hold back. Try again at the next opportunity. Frustrating sometimes, but pretty simple.
All that said, if you come back to PCA I hope you remember it's much more important to bring our cars home without damage than it is to win a club race. They're expensive cars and even seemingly minor damage can really hurt.
I also had a guy debating the steward in my orientation class. He said he was national champion in Jamaica back in the 70s. Do they even have race tracks in Jamaica?
07-26-2017, 05:39 PM
#173
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thats a tough one. slow car should have seen that coming, but fast car might have made sure he wasn't going to "not see him " and drive his school line.
in those cases you better be prepared to make the pass in the dirt, or go off line and under him. always the approaching cars responsibility .
in those cases you better be prepared to make the pass in the dirt, or go off line and under him. always the approaching cars responsibility .
07-26-2017, 06:01 PM
#175
Mark- took you along time !! Krypton - Dangerous down low- that's why all the tires are there. Does MMC charge you for new sod if you go off ? I miss MMC. There was nowhere for the 944 to go. Track vanishes down there
Last edited by Gofishracing; 07-26-2017 at 07:55 PM.
07-26-2017, 06:05 PM
#176
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Originally Posted by danielyonker
12 pages for a thread to be Kiborted - new record?
07-26-2017, 08:15 PM
#178
I'm in....
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07-26-2017, 08:40 PM
#179
Well I'm just now watching the video.
duh - Orange car. No questions asked. Passing on the outside of a sweeper?? I'm amazed this has evolved into 12 pages.
Exception: I passed Distefano there, but he was exceptionally slow.
duh - Orange car. No questions asked. Passing on the outside of a sweeper?? I'm amazed this has evolved into 12 pages.
Exception: I passed Distefano there, but he was exceptionally slow.
07-26-2017, 08:53 PM
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