View Poll Results: Who Will Win?
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Hartley
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Russian Grand Prix - Who Will Win?
#31
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If I was Toto, I'd make sure an AMG two seater was delivered this week to Valtteri and and the biggest S series for V's wife.
No better way to say Thanks for following team orders.
Good line from the announcers: ."Wolff is feeling sheepish."
No better way to say Thanks for following team orders.
Good line from the announcers: ."Wolff is feeling sheepish."
#32
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I disagree with most, I think MB’s strategy was both expected by every savvy F1 fan watching and absolutely the right call given how dangerous Vettel and Ferrari still are. With the driver’s championship mathetically not yet in the bag, MB HAS to favor a Hamilton win (critical for points) over a Bottas win (really just a moral victory). Bravo to Toto for making the gutsy, yet unpopular call...this is big money sports not backyard racing and team strategy comes first. Ferrari, Red Bull and Force India need to watch and learn how you win a championship! If there was one flaw, it was that apparently Bottas wasn’t informed of the expected team order ahead of the race however as a consumate professional, his post-game comments show that he totally understands the situation. Hamilton was equally very gracious and empathic to Bottas, (a total classy move)...and this explains why Hamilton/Bottas is currently the best driver pairing in F1 right now.
Understand yes
Expect maybe
Bad for the sport absolutely
last lap when 1 - 2 was secure Lewis should have given back
Bottas class act and consummate teammate absolutely
Hamilton “classy” and “gracious” those are oxymorons
Hamilton one the biggest chip on the shoulder pieces of s@@t to driver in sport, YES
#33
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Understand yes
Expect maybe
Bad for the sport absolutely
last lap when 1 - 2 was secure Lewis should have given back
Bottas class act and consummate teammate absolutely
Hamilton “classy” and “gracious” those are oxymorons
Hamilton one the biggest chip on the shoulder pieces of s@@t to driver in sport, YES
Ad hominem much?
Good strategy is good strategy. One shouldn't have to apologize for it. Here's hoping Seb folds up again (although the pressure is mostly off now) and Hamilton can let Bottas by in one of the remaining races this year. Kudos to Bottas for being a team player, kudos to Toto for making the tough call, Kudos for Hamilton in giving credit where it is due. And Kudos to Max for making the race worth watching.
Debo sends.
#34
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Since I voted for Bottas, technically I won as much as he did. It’s the right call. Later in the season if Ham has the WDC in the bag, I hope he returns the favor. Interesting post-race interview with Toto.
#35
Ad hominem much?
Good strategy is good strategy. One shouldn't have to apologize for it. Here's hoping Seb folds up again (although the pressure is mostly off now) and Hamilton can let Bottas by in one of the remaining races this year. Kudos to Bottas for being a team player, kudos to Toto for making the tough call, Kudos for Hamilton in giving credit where it is due. And Kudos to Max for making the race worth watching.
Debo sends.
Good strategy is good strategy. One shouldn't have to apologize for it. Here's hoping Seb folds up again (although the pressure is mostly off now) and Hamilton can let Bottas by in one of the remaining races this year. Kudos to Bottas for being a team player, kudos to Toto for making the tough call, Kudos for Hamilton in giving credit where it is due. And Kudos to Max for making the race worth watching.
Debo sends.
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Understand yes
Expect maybe
Bad for the sport absolutely
last lap when 1 - 2 was secure Lewis should have given back
Bottas class act and consummate teammate absolutely
Hamilton “classy” and “gracious” those are oxymorons
Hamilton one the biggest chip on the shoulder pieces of s@@t to driver in sport, YES
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Let's not forget that the drivers work for the teams. Their job requires following team orders. The team isn't really there to support the drivers - the drivers are there to support the team objectives, and the teams are huge. Quite different from a sport like tennis, where it really IS about the athlete, and the athlete pays the team to support him/her.
#39
Ad hominem much?
Good strategy is good strategy. One shouldn't have to apologize for it. Here's hoping Seb folds up again (although the pressure is mostly off now) and Hamilton can let Bottas by in one of the remaining races this year. Kudos to Bottas for being a team player, kudos to Toto for making the tough call, Kudos for Hamilton in giving credit where it is due. And Kudos to Max for making the race worth watching.
Debo sends.
Good strategy is good strategy. One shouldn't have to apologize for it. Here's hoping Seb folds up again (although the pressure is mostly off now) and Hamilton can let Bottas by in one of the remaining races this year. Kudos to Bottas for being a team player, kudos to Toto for making the tough call, Kudos for Hamilton in giving credit where it is due. And Kudos to Max for making the race worth watching.
Debo sends.
#40
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Wow is all I can say to the vitriol and insane personal attack against Hamilton in this post. The fact that you suggest that Hamilton should have given the position back when the 1-2 “was secure” shows that you have absolutely no clue what the discussion is. The issue isn’t MB going 1-2 (this helps MB in the Manufacturers Championship regardless of driver order) but which driver gets the 25 1st place points, (I.e. for the Driver’s Championship). You clearly have something against Lewis Hamilton and I suggest you take your issue up with your therapist. Bad for the sport...this IS the sport and MB has been the best at it the last couple of years. Me thinks the person with a chip on their shoulder is you...what a terrible and useless post.
Last point. You use the words and phrases vitriol, terrible, useless, take it up with your therapist. I did not personally attack you or your pal Debo. So do me a favor and don’t personally attack me. You have an opinion as do I.
#41
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Too bad this gifting of the race win to Hamilton has overshadowed the great result by LeClerc.
He beat the Haas, Force India, and factory Renault teams! If Sauber depended on Ericsson to get the job done, they wouldn't have gotten any points. Wow, I can't wait to see him in that Ferrari next year!
He beat the Haas, Force India, and factory Renault teams! If Sauber depended on Ericsson to get the job done, they wouldn't have gotten any points. Wow, I can't wait to see him in that Ferrari next year!
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So a few points. First, you are right I respect Lewis as a driver and I acknowledge his abilities but do not like him as a personality. Second You proved my point for me, which I appreciate, MB should be securing the constructors championship and allowing their drivers to race. As far as the drivers championship Lewis was still ahead of Vettel and still would be picking up 3 more points more than Vettel finishing second. Thus points today are Lewis at 306 vs 256 for Vettel and had Bottas been allowed to win Lewis would have 299 vs Vettel 256. It is my belief that Toto once securing that his team would get the maximum points (with a 1-2 finish) and realizing that Lewis would still end the day with a 43 point advantage should have let Bottas enjoy the victory as truth be told he rarely outpaces Lewis in qualifying and the race. I understand why they did it but don’t have to like it as a viewer or a fan.
Last point. You use the words and phrases vitriol, terrible, useless, take it up with your therapist. I did not personally attack you or your pal Debo. So do me a favor and don’t personally attack me. You have an opinion as do I.
I tuned in to see a race and saw a farce followed by the mood at a funeral. Luckily I got over it quickly when I saw the NASCAR boys try and race on a roval. Anyone watch that?
#43
Hat's off to MB for responding to Ferrari's development. From a technical perspective it's been an interesting year as it seems like the two teams have traded the title of fastest car at different points. Trouble is for me as a Ferrari supporter, Vettel simply hasn't performed as well as Hamilton this year and didn't take advantage of the red car's speed when he had it. As much grief as I give Lewis for being a primadonna he has certainly been excellent this year. There is no need to complain about these tactics as Ferrari and any other team would probably do the same.
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#45
So a few points. First, you are right I respect Lewis as a driver and I acknowledge his abilities but do not like him as a personality. Second You proved my point for me, which I appreciate, MB should be securing the constructors championship and allowing their drivers to race. As far as the drivers championship Lewis was still ahead of Vettel and still would be picking up 3 more points more than Vettel finishing second. Thus points today are Lewis at 306 vs 256 for Vettel and had Bottas been allowed to win Lewis would have 299 vs Vettel 256. It is my belief that Toto once securing that his team would get the maximum points (with a 1-2 finish) and realizing that Lewis would still end the day with a 43 point advantage should have let Bottas enjoy the victory as truth be told he rarely outpaces Lewis in qualifying and the race. I understand why they did it but don’t have to like it as a viewer or a fan.
Last point. You use the words and phrases vitriol, terrible, useless, take it up with your therapist. I did not personally attack you or your pal Debo. So do me a favor and don’t personally attack me. You have an opinion as do I.
Second, I understand your point however given that the driver’s championship isn’t mathematically locked up for Hamilton, MB rightfully feels obligated to secure the maximum available points for whichever of their drivers is in contention for the championship. Ferrari used to do it for Schumacher and countless teams have done the same in the past. This is F1. As a fan, I understood it then and I understand it now. Good and well executed strategy wins championships.
Further, for those who say the race was a snooze fest, I guess they missed part where Vettel came out ahead of Hamilton following his pit stop (with both on relatively fresh tires). What ensued was two 4-time world champions racing wheel-to-wheel for position while both are currently 1st & 2nd in the standings for the driver’s championship! If that isn’t top flight F1 racing then I give up. Hamilton’s pass on Vettel was simply brilliant, the way Hamilton drove those two corner combos was masterful in execution with Vettel trying to block! Hamilton came out on top but Vettel had more than a fighting chance. Further I guess these folks also missed Max’s incredible race and LeClerc’s solid drive. I guess for some, if Vettel doesn’t win then the entire race is a doozy.
Lastly, I don’t understand why people bring up a driver’s personality when discussing a race (especially when the driver in question didn’t exhibit any of the questionable personality traits, that he is accused of, on the day). Hamilton drove masterfully and was gracious to his teammate, who had to sacrifice a win. Why can’t it stop there? Both drivers were clearly bummed but both understand what’s at stake.
Last edited by Akunob; 10-01-2018 at 10:23 AM.