LuigiVampa

Meant to post this here -

I think the better solutions are the ones based on weeding out the idiots as opposed to changing how we start, how we race, etc.

Enforcement will solve this issue.

Streak

So here's where we have a problem. I had a very similar situation. Competitor going for a lane that was disappearing. I was the blue car. I was much luckier since I did not get turned into the wall.

I got the 13 for the ensuing contact.

I won on appeal.

But this is why #14 doesn't think he's at fault.

The afore mentioned competitor had already totaled his car at the DMTD event, rented another and hit the wall with a bit of fixable damage the next morning. Then he totaled the rental bouncing off me on the first half lap of the race.

Sitting on grid I was warned of the afore mentioned driver's aggression. Afterward I was told "Oh that's just (afore mention driver), he takes risks."

A contributing factor was a car that was terribly slow in the corners and when speaking to the stewards I mentioned the slower traffic and without me saying anything more the steward guessed the car number.

The risk taker subsequently totaled another car at a later race weekend. So if we are keeping count thats 3 cars destroyed in two race weekends.

In 11 years of racing I've only totally destroyed one car.

And since the afore mentioned driver has suffered no penalties from PCA CR nothing has been learned that I am aware of.

Maybe a deterrent is to bring back the single car 13 based on frequency and severity of incidents.

Maybe another deterrent is if an appeal is won then some consideration needs to be given to assign blame to the other driver. Maybe a 6 instead of a 13 not effecting points. As it stands if you are found not at fault at the track you can literally get away with murder as PCA won't go back and give you a 13.

And once again both these drivers were "known" to be potential problems. PCA has got to come up with a fair way to deal with that. Emphasis on fair because we are all paying to be there. Maybe a "go home, here's 1/2 your entry fee back." And the volunteers are just that. And they aren't looking for fights. I dunno. I'm just thinking outside the box.

esscape26

I understand being angry and facing car repairs and no racing from others' bad actions, been there. Just want to post that when you have punitive measures from PCA racing, without transparency, without some sort of representative democracy, and without due process like the situation we have now, you are giving stewards-- having no requirements it appears to get their "jobs, " except racing somewhere and volunteering with their buddies -- power even when the wrong decisions are made. Sorry, but not all incidents are clear cut and there's still no public documentation on what makes someone at fault in PCA.
You have to think of the wrongly accused. Been there, too.

esscape26

Posting this separately: PCA always had more practice sessions over the race weekend, and in response to racers, traded practice for an extra race. This has led to poorer skills, more Type A sessions, people on all kinds of heat cycled tires, and less time to address one's leaking or ailing car, if need be. A positive solution may be to have some weekends that go back to the old format, leading to actual championship weekends with the more races. This allows racers to ramp up to and handle Type A rather than having to go straight to qualifying and racing right after arrival!. Another idea in this vein, would be to take the qual lap from any of the first day, or a group of sessions. I always like split starts, and that could be used as well.

sbelles

They did? Every race I've been to for the past 9 years has had 3 practices.

esscape26

The third practice is now qualifying. That used to be just plain practice, except at Road Atlanta.

LuigiVampa

If you are racing the guy in front of you then you are not going to qualify well. That is just stupid.

FLA997

Marc- I was very disappointed to see your 6Cup was involved...I was always a fan of that car.

Not potentially; they have. Years ago.

+1

Is anyone else shocked that people are shocked about the PCA crashfest v 6.0 ?
What is Past is Prologue.
I was more shocked last year when it was pretty clean (at Sebring). There are other places to race...

Boy, isn't that the truth. The competition is fierce, and far from the perception umbrella of "Vintage Racing"....a typical IGT Grid looks like last years PWC field, with double the track time of a PCA weekend.

A second, and identical, "conversation" also occurred. He's delusional.

Fumes

practice 3 always gridded the first race though, so it was effectively a quali session, no?

i very much like the always green qualifying instead of p3 - imho safer because you can release NOT into a pack get out lap done and set a lap. this way you dont need to do the out lap then a lap in traffic then box to look for space while your tires lose heat. pitting fir an opening is much better than driving super slow creating a gap that way

Nizer

WTF?? Please post car pic so that we can all avoid him.

FFaust

FFaust

This would be a PSA, not a "throwing under the bus".

If I screwed up and got a 13, I would be ok with being on a published list. Would be part of my penance, I guess. But that's me...

winders

It would seem he goes through cars so fast that posting a photo of his car would be pointless.

ProCoach

I agree with you. Me, too.

But publishing the 13/13 list is a sticky wicket for nearly every club I know. Most won't do it, and while I would like to see it public to KNOW who I'm racing with and who to watch out for, most clubs are not convinced that publication of these lists is a good idea.

For historic racing, a confidential list is kept current and circulated among VMC member clubs, the 30-plus member clubs of the Vintage Motorsports Council, and their competition directors.Pretty much all the clubs adjudicate incidents using some variant of the 13/13 rule.

The purpose of the confidential list is not to "blackball" drivers, but to keep a record for reference and to build a historical record of who was involved with what incidents, where and when, that can be handed off to the next event organizers.

It's designed to reduce the subjective measure and improve objective tracking of driver behavior and frequency of incidents. I have lists going back thirty years and it's amazing how many times a few names repeatedly crop up.

I don't know the answer, but an internal list, kept current, with a long "lookback" and updated frequently between events for timeliness, is a good idea, for sure.

Thundermoose

Lol!!