Aggression on public roads
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Defund the police.
A direct result of an election.
If people know they can get away with pretty much anything, where’s the deterrent to behave?
I could be alone on this, but to me, the way people are driving on the roads today is a direct result of much less traffic enforcement which is a direct result of defund the police which is a direct result of an election.
Hell, pretty much everything that’s wrong with this country right now is a direct result of an election. There, I said it. Now ban me already!!!
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An increase in narcissism and entitlement in society. A dramatic decrease in traffic enforcement. (I have never, ever seen someone pulled over for aggressive/dangerous driving. Undercover police in this area could make enormous revenue simply by driving among the daily commute and ticketing people for overly aggressive and dangerous driving.) I think we're on to something here. I think there's also a depersonalization that occurs when we get in our cars, that encourages us to act in ways toward each other that we would never do if we met on foot on the sidewalk, or standing in line at the grocery, for example. You tend to be more civil and forgiving when you have to look someone in the eye. That's why I also think dark window tints further encourage bad behavior among some drivers--anonymity can breed antisocial behavior.
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An increase in narcissism and entitlement in society. A dramatic decrease in traffic enforcement. (I have never, ever seen someone pulled over for aggressive/dangerous driving. Undercover police in this area could make enormous revenue simply by driving among the daily commute and ticketing people for overly aggressive and dangerous driving.) I think we're on to something here. I think there's also a depersonalization that occurs when we get in our cars, that encourages us to act in ways toward each other that we would never do if we met on foot on the sidewalk, or standing in line at the grocery, for example. You tend to be more civil and forgiving when you have to look someone in the eye. That's why I also think dark window tints further encourage bad behavior among some drivers--anonymity can breed antisocial behavior.
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Narcissism is a large factor in society today, as paradocs98 noted. I think that’s a major contributor to election results and the defund the police movement, among other current societal norms. It is definitely all about me me me me.
This has been building for a few generations. When I was young a cashier would make small talk with you while making change. Now you get a self service checkout at many stores. More depersonalization in the name of efficiency (decreased costs).
And If you think the roads and highways are bad have you tried navigating a large parking lot lately? A lot more dangerous than racing…
This has been building for a few generations. When I was young a cashier would make small talk with you while making change. Now you get a self service checkout at many stores. More depersonalization in the name of efficiency (decreased costs).
And If you think the roads and highways are bad have you tried navigating a large parking lot lately? A lot more dangerous than racing…
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Been fortunate locally, I guess, for now. Every now and then I see complete ***-hattery, but it's rare enough.
The other day was driving into the city in the passing lane and kinda slowly (70?) passing slower traffic, when a Mercedes came up from behind full Autobahn mode. I saw him coming, signalled to move over, and was about half out of the way when he forced by with a few inches to spare. He made it 20 yards to the next car and rode his ***, eventually using all the lanes to pass on the right and left and basically go nowhere. Chalked it up to youth and stupidity.
But overall, we've been been spared the worst of the decline locally. We moved about 40 minutes out of the city, and can't be happier here. Everyone is super friendly at the local grocery, bank, liquor store, post office etc. It's really very safe and civilized, and I know we're lucky. We spend more and more time travelling, we were in Portugal and had a good conversation with a financial advisor from Philadelphia - his wife is a prosecutor and he was very forthcoming about the changes occurring in his city. It's dramatically less safe, in his opinion. I've had amazing times in his town, Dallas games at old Veterans Stadium - and even then I felt safe. Same with NYC at all hours of the night, SF, Chicago, etc. We've adjusted out plans itineraries and will spend our time and $ in Europe until this gets sorted out. Confident it will, but definitely a trend that needs to be reversed.
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The other day was driving into the city in the passing lane and kinda slowly (70?) passing slower traffic, when a Mercedes came up from behind full Autobahn mode. I saw him coming, signalled to move over, and was about half out of the way when he forced by with a few inches to spare. He made it 20 yards to the next car and rode his ***, eventually using all the lanes to pass on the right and left and basically go nowhere. Chalked it up to youth and stupidity.
But overall, we've been been spared the worst of the decline locally. We moved about 40 minutes out of the city, and can't be happier here. Everyone is super friendly at the local grocery, bank, liquor store, post office etc. It's really very safe and civilized, and I know we're lucky. We spend more and more time travelling, we were in Portugal and had a good conversation with a financial advisor from Philadelphia - his wife is a prosecutor and he was very forthcoming about the changes occurring in his city. It's dramatically less safe, in his opinion. I've had amazing times in his town, Dallas games at old Veterans Stadium - and even then I felt safe. Same with NYC at all hours of the night, SF, Chicago, etc. We've adjusted out plans itineraries and will spend our time and $ in Europe until this gets sorted out. Confident it will, but definitely a trend that needs to be reversed.
Best,
Matt
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There are two sides to the aggressive driver issue. There are the A-hole aggressive drivers and then there are the normal drivers made aggressive by the passive aggressive drivers.
My town's Facebook 411 page is littered with posts where people say they are driving under the speed limit because they know the person in back of them is "in a rush". You should see these narcissistic posts where people talk about how they deliberately make other drivers mad in the name of safety.
Everyone knows the difference between a person who wants to drive at or below the speed limit, and the person who keeps tapping the brakes and looking in the rear view mirror, hoping for a response. Some aggression is manufactured.
My town's Facebook 411 page is littered with posts where people say they are driving under the speed limit because they know the person in back of them is "in a rush". You should see these narcissistic posts where people talk about how they deliberately make other drivers mad in the name of safety.
Everyone knows the difference between a person who wants to drive at or below the speed limit, and the person who keeps tapping the brakes and looking in the rear view mirror, hoping for a response. Some aggression is manufactured.
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The other day was driving into the city in the passing lane and kinda slowly (70?) passing slower traffic, when a Mercedes came up from behind full Autobahn mode. I saw him coming, signalled to move over, and was about half out of the way when he forced by with a few inches to spare. He made it 20 yards to the next car and rode his ***, eventually using all the lanes to pass on the right and left and basically go nowhere. Chalked it up to youth and stupidity.
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Nothing irks me more than drivers that cutoff a line of traffic by squeezing in right by the exit. Youd never see mr. Badass doing the same in line at dunkin donuts. Then you have like 30% of people driving around with their highbeams on, because its all about them seeing of course. This says nothing of all the idiotic, distracted, and just plain dangerous manuvers you see on a daily basis here in nj.
I would LOVE to play traffic cop for a day.
I would LOVE to play traffic cop for a day.
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In my opinion, this is tied to the last election when Sleepy Joe was elected. Ever since there has been less and less accountability for certain groups which have been elevated to untouchable status. Now they want to not enforce traffic infractions because they disproportionately impact the "underserved". Yeah, great. The part of society that creates all of the chaos on the roads is now going to be free to drive even worse than they already do. This is the Broken Windows model on full display.
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In my opinion, this is tied to the last election when Sleepy Joe was elected. Ever since there has been less and less accountability for certain groups which have been elevated to untouchable status. Now they want to not enforce traffic infractions because they disproportionately impact the "underserved". Yeah, great. The part of society that creates all of the chaos on the roads is now going to be free to drive even worse than they already do. This is the Broken Windows model on full display.
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Bad driving is equal parts narcissism and politics, with a dash of prius/suburu.
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We are seeing it more and more down here in central Florida since pandemic, which coincidentally (or maybe not?) is being flooded by northern transplants some of which are certainly originally from Long Island. LOL
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I've noticed a dramatic rise in aggression starting with the pandemic on urban highways. Very little change on low congestion areas.
Pretty sure there are aggressive idiots throughout the political spectrum causing these issues. Now you all got me curious and I'll try to catch their bumper stickers to see if it says "Hands off my Uterus" or " F-Joe"
Pretty sure there are aggressive idiots throughout the political spectrum causing these issues. Now you all got me curious and I'll try to catch their bumper stickers to see if it says "Hands off my Uterus" or " F-Joe"