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I am confused about what is now considered a "Rub Out" in PCA Racing.
IMO, a Rub Out is when you can literally clean/rub the tire marks, dirt, etc. off the car and there is little to no indication that any sort of contact occurred. OK, slight paint and/or wrap damage would fall under that definition too.
But how about 2 damaged wheels, damaged rocker panel, damaged door that doesn't stay closed and a bent (albeit minor) front fender? That's what happened to me Sprint 1 at VIR after a 944 tried an ill advised pass on the OUTSIDE of T11 (the turn just before Oak Tree). Lap 3. Ending my race.
And there's no reason to make that pass since SPC is substantially faster than SP3 on the straight that is 200 feet away, so I would just pass him back.
And something is not right with the suspension. Car did not feel good in Sprint 2. I managed to finish but was slow.
I thought I had seen somewhere, and I know there was a recent discussion about PCA being a little more stringent on incidents because there was a feeling that incidents were on the rise. This doesn't sound stringent.
At the first race of the year in Sebring PCA CR said that all contact, however slight, needs to be reported. If there ever was a "rub out rule" PCA got rid of it at the end of last year.
I would add that your list of damage far exceeds what any reasonable person would consider a rub out. That is a small accident.
I am confused about what is now considered a "Rub Out" in PCA Racing.
IMO, a Rub Out is when you can literally clean/rub the tire marks, dirt, etc. off the car and there is little to no indication that any sort of contact occurred. OK, slight paint and/or wrap damage would fall under that definition too.
But how about 2 damaged wheels, damaged rocker panel, damaged door that doesn't stay closed and a bent (albeit minor) front fender? That's what happened to me Sprint 1 at VIR after a 944 tried an ill advised pass on the OUTSIDE of T11 (the turn just before Oak Tree). Lap 3. Ending my race.
And there's no reason to make that pass since SPC is substantially faster than SP3 on the straight that is 200 feet away, so I would just pass him back.
And something is not right with the suspension. Car did not feel good in Sprint 2. I managed to finish but was slow.
I thought I had seen somewhere, and I know there was a recent discussion about PCA being a little more stringent on incidents because there was a feeling that incidents were on the rise. This doesn't sound stringent.
I got hit from behind going into T4 at the beginning of the enduro. I won't mention names but their team initials are ECR.
There was not a mark on my car so I believe that is the definition of a "rub out".
While we are discussing rub outs I will also mentioned that there was no hug or swedish fish from @ProCoach as was promised. That was kind of the only reason I was going to VIR. Super disappointed.
What did the Stewards say when you talked to them about the decision? Just posting stuff here isn't productive or isn't going to improve the system.
I didn't know the outcome at the track - nobody followed up with me after I filed the report. I came to Black Flag to report it. He didn't. He got DQ'd for Race 2 but that's it - and that was for not reporting. I sent an email Sunday night to ask the outcome , and was told it was deemed a rub out. I've followed up multiple times questioning that decision with no reply.
Look, again, I get it - its a volunteer organization and we all do our best. And unlike a few of the conspiracy theories I've been told, I'm just disappointed that they briefly looked at the car and made a decision without ever following up on the damage. If it was just the donut on the door and scuff on the rear fender, sure - rub out. But it's much more than that.
While we are discussing rub outs I will also mentioned that there was no hug or swedish fish from @ProCoach as was promised. That was kind of the only reason I was going to VIR. Super disappointed.
I had some swedish fish in the RV... you should have come over!
I didn't know the outcome at the track - nobody followed up with me after I filed the report. I came to Black Flag to report it. He didn't. He got DQ'd for Race 2 but that's it - and that was for not reporting. I sent an email Sunday night to ask the outcome , and was told it was deemed a rub out. I've followed up multiple times questioning that decision with no reply.
Look, again, I get it - its a volunteer organization and we all do our best. And unlike a few of the conspiracy theories I've been told, I'm just disappointed that they briefly looked at the car and made a decision without ever following up on the damage. If it was just the donut on the door and scuff on the rear fender, sure - rub out. But it's much more than that.
I would appeal the decision....this cannot be allowed to continue!
03-29-2023, 01:08 PM
Rub Out? What is your definition for PCA Racing?
