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My mechanic and my dentist will miss the business!
What is amazing are the prominent gouges and scrapes in the asphalt of the cars landing beyond where the first big curbs used to be...
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Yup. And if, in fact, this remains permanent, I suspect that is the reason for the change.
I'll bet it's not permanent. At least without raised inserts a la COTA on the two outlined areas of reinforced concrete in the middle of this... That way, they can swap them out for whatever cars are running, be they IMSA, IRL or NASCAR.
What is amazing are the prominent gouges and scrapes in the asphalt of the cars landing beyond where the first big curbs used to be...
A lot of them are from the skid block on the sway bars on the NASCAR stuff. They have a big pad to ride on when a tire goes down and that gets in the track pretty hard on the Bus Stop landings. I would see folks on the chassis some, but not nearly as bad. The chassis is usually in under high loads, not landings, but it can vary a lot.
Changes the entire line from brake zone all the way into the carousel.
How much does the entry line actually change if you still really want to nail the 2nd curbing?
Would seem like an earlier turn in and much more of a straight line to that 2nd curb, yes?
Would get you much closer to the wall on the right in 5a enabling a much straighter, and faster entry in with a direct line to the middle of the 2nd curbing.
Can't see it being permanent but would love to try it.
GBuff, post up video when you get home. You're about 3 weeks ahead of me for The Glen this year (shame shame, I know).
I'll bet it's not permanent. At least without raised inserts a la COTA on the two outlined areas of reinforced concrete in the middle of this... That way, they can swap them out for whatever cars are running, be they IMSA, IRL or NASCAR.
Perhaps! We will see! I'll be there for Trackmasters in early May ... can't wait!
Would seem like an earlier turn in and much more of a straight line to turn in for that 2nd curb, yes?
Would get you much closer to the wall on the right in 5a enabling a much straighter, and faster entry in with a direct line to the direction change to make the middle of the 2nd curbing.
Added in bold. Wouldn't affect the most desirable exit, but it would allow a) later braking, b) more compressed braking and as you point out c) a straight(er) line to the direction change to the left.
You wouldn't need to slow as much for the direction change to the right, but this will screw with how deep people make the direction change to the left, and the speed they arrive there...
Added in bold. Wouldn't affect the most desirable exit, but it would allow a) later braking, b) more compressed braking and as you point out c) a straight(er) line to the direction change to the left.
You wouldn't need to slow as much for the direction change to the right, but this will screw with how deep people make the direction change to the left, and the speed they arrive there...
Fun!
But without that first curbing, wouldn't turn in for the 2nd curbing be accomplished at or near turn in for the flat track that used to hold that first curbing on the right?
You're saying later turn in. Wouldn't it be an earlier turn in to straighten out the line between 5a and 5b?
Am I not looking at 5b correctly? I use that curbing to help start the rotation to the left as I begin to set up the exit from the bus stop, or am I missing something about 5b?
A later turn into 5a would have the car facing the wrong direction exiting 5b, yes? Am I not looking at 5b correctly?
Edit: The cars in Dave's picture, aren't they too far left at 5a?
I hear you @dgrobs! It looks like you wouldn't need that first left curb to help "turn" the car. just release of the brakes to start making your arc after the first curb on the left.
I hear you @dgrobs! It looks like you wouldn't need that first left curb to help "turn" the car. just release of the brakes to start making your arc after the first curb on the left.
That's how we ran it in the "good ol days" (2012-ish) when there was no inside curb to speak of and just a drop in the pavement about 1' off the guardrail (sometimes) full of dirt.. Straight shot, quick lift to rotate, scoot on out.. was a hoot when you got it just right.
I hear you @dgrobs! It looks like you wouldn't need that first left curb to help "turn" the car. just release of the brakes to start making your arc after the first curb on the left.
Exactly. Isn't that an "earlier turn in"?
Aren't the 2 cars in your picture offline? It would appear they both turned in too early.
First one is offline to the right making the turn between 5a and 5b too sharp, or sharper than it has to be, yes? Looks like the 2nd car did the same thing and even more so.
Neither car looks anything like a straight line from 5a to 5b. Wouldn't you want to "square off" the amount of steering input between 5b and 5c? Both cars seem to be needing more steering than necessary to get to 5c.
I am missing something, I know I am, but what? Talk to me Peter.
What am I missing about the initial entry into the bus stop without that 5a curbing there.
Wouldn't you want to draw a straight line between 5a and 5b to lower the steering input needed to get to 5c and out of the bus stop?
What am I missing Coach?
04-08-2024, 11:09 AM
