One of the best racing videos I've seen in a while
06-12-2009, 01:18 AM
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06-12-2009, 09:44 AM
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Yes, Marky Mark, and anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of these cars (or who watched the video I posted) knows why: the Mustang's weakest link is its braking. The 911 and the M3 can outbrake the Mustang in pretty much any corner all day long, as this video shows.
However, please don't let me interrupt your seemingly ndless crusade to try to ameliorate the beating you took from folks infinetely more knowledgeable than yourself in the idiotic HP/TQ debate that YOU started and then lost over and over again.
We will all now brace for 7 more 250-word posts from you on this topic.
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06-12-2009, 10:11 AM
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Thanks for posting this video VR. It's awesome. That's racing. I had a feeling the 4 feet of grass between the left side of the track and the guardrail from the Toe to T8 was a passing surface!!!! 
06-12-2009, 10:12 AM
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06-12-2009, 11:59 AM
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pretty funny VR. (as usual)
But, as you can see there was no advantage under acceleration in any area of the track. and if there was, it was due to HP/weight, as it always is.
sure, the mustang was at a disadvantage, due to its heavier weight
As far as the HP / torque debate. I didnt lose anything. Newton never loses those debates. Think of me as his messenger, and you shall be saved! By the way, i had a ton of email and PMs of those MUCH more knowlegable than you, like Chris Cervelli, who validated my points and bailed of the stupid discussion due to a unpresedented level of ignorance and mudslinging. You can count it a win, but you are still a bit confused.
HP values will determine acceleration force at any speed. If you have the same HP at any same comparable speed, you will have the same acceleration. Its the LAW! You are in denial.
Back to the discussion about racing, Ego-Boy. AND, get ready for August! Whooooo Hooo!
mk
But, as you can see there was no advantage under acceleration in any area of the track. and if there was, it was due to HP/weight, as it always is.
sure, the mustang was at a disadvantage, due to its heavier weight
As far as the HP / torque debate. I didnt lose anything. Newton never loses those debates. Think of me as his messenger, and you shall be saved! By the way, i had a ton of email and PMs of those MUCH more knowlegable than you, like Chris Cervelli, who validated my points and bailed of the stupid discussion due to a unpresedented level of ignorance and mudslinging. You can count it a win, but you are still a bit confused.
HP values will determine acceleration force at any speed. If you have the same HP at any same comparable speed, you will have the same acceleration. Its the LAW! You are in denial.
Back to the discussion about racing, Ego-Boy. AND, get ready for August! Whooooo Hooo!
mk
Yes, Marky Mark, and anyone who has even a cursory knowledge of these cars (or who watched the video I posted) knows why: the Mustang's weakest link is its braking. The 911 and the M3 can outbrake the Mustang in pretty much any corner all day long, as this video shows.
However, please don't let me interrupt your seemingly crusade to try to ameliorate the beating you took from folks infinetely more knowledgeable than yourself in the idiotic HP/TQ debate that YOU started and then lost over and over again.
We will all now brace for 7 more 250-word posts from you on this topic.
Professional Racing and Driving Coach
However, please don't let me interrupt your seemingly crusade to try to ameliorate the beating you took from folks infinetely more knowledgeable than yourself in the idiotic HP/TQ debate that YOU started and then lost over and over again.
We will all now brace for 7 more 250-word posts from you on this topic.
Professional Racing and Driving Coach
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06-12-2009, 12:23 PM
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Not entirely true, he did quite well with his first drive in a Mustang at the Glen last year. In this years race there were no real hot shoes driving Mustangs so it's hard to know. Although as VR mentioned their downside has everything to do with brakes, and absolutely nothing to do with HP/Tourque.
06-12-2009, 12:37 PM
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The cars are quite even in most areas. You also have to think about, is it brakes, or is it a slower speed of entry to the corners requied for the heavier mustangs? In watching the video, I dont think the mustangs have a braking issue so much as a cornering speed issue. Having run against Pobst in one of these type BMWs, with a car with simular driving characteristics to the mustang, Ive seen first hand the cornering capability of these cars which is pretty awesome. Ive also seen the handling trade offs with my car, as I often race against all sorts of BMWs,e30s to new PTG-like M3s. I also run times almost identical to the Grand Am GS times, albiet in a slightly lighter car, but with less hp compared to the 'Stang.
VR said it has everything to do with brakes. Not true, he already said it has to do with driver, then he switched to brakes, and in reality its more about absolute weight which can effect decel as well as cornering.
I agree to a point as well, in watching the video, maybe a different driver could have pushed the mustangs through the corners a little harder. In the end, pretty darn even, wouldnt you say. AND some great racing.
So, in the end, Its just a disussion about many factors. Thats what makes racing so interesting, all the trade offs with drviers, weights, hp/weights, chassis design, set up, and mix of all of it.
Mk
VR said it has everything to do with brakes. Not true, he already said it has to do with driver, then he switched to brakes, and in reality its more about absolute weight which can effect decel as well as cornering.
I agree to a point as well, in watching the video, maybe a different driver could have pushed the mustangs through the corners a little harder. In the end, pretty darn even, wouldnt you say. AND some great racing.
So, in the end, Its just a disussion about many factors. Thats what makes racing so interesting, all the trade offs with drviers, weights, hp/weights, chassis design, set up, and mix of all of it.
Mk
Not entirely true, he did quite well with his first drive in a Mustang at the Glen last year. In this years race there were no real hot shoes driving Mustangs so it's hard to know. Although as VR mentioned their downside has everything to do with brakes, and absolutely nothing to do with HP/Tourque.
06-12-2009, 02:30 PM
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The cars are quite even in most areas. You also have to think about, is it brakes, or is it a slower speed of entry to the corners requied for the heavier mustangs? In watching the video, I dont think the mustangs have a braking issue so much as a cornering speed issue. Having run against Pobst in one of these type BMWs, with a car with simular driving characteristics to the mustang, Ive seen first hand the cornering capability of these cars which is pretty awesome. Ive also seen the handling trade offs with my car, as I often race against all sorts of BMWs,e30s to new PTG-like M3s. I also run times almost identical to the Grand Am GS times, albiet in a slightly lighter car, but with less hp compared to the 'Stang.
VR said it has everything to do with brakes. Not true, he already said it has to do with driver, then he switched to brakes, and in reality its more about absolute weight which can effect decel as well as cornering.
I agree to a point as well, in watching the video, maybe a different driver could have pushed the mustangs through the corners a little harder. In the end, pretty darn even, wouldnt you say. AND some great racing.
So, in the end, Its just a disussion about many factors. Thats what makes racing so interesting, all the trade offs with drviers, weights, hp/weights, chassis design, set up, and mix of all of it.
Mk
VR said it has everything to do with brakes. Not true, he already said it has to do with driver, then he switched to brakes, and in reality its more about absolute weight which can effect decel as well as cornering.
I agree to a point as well, in watching the video, maybe a different driver could have pushed the mustangs through the corners a little harder. In the end, pretty darn even, wouldnt you say. AND some great racing.
So, in the end, Its just a disussion about many factors. Thats what makes racing so interesting, all the trade offs with drviers, weights, hp/weights, chassis design, set up, and mix of all of it.
Mk
I wish I had the time but not today, must finish a car and then catch a plane. Maybe I will try next week if it is still going on.......... Which with Mark I am sure it will be.
06-12-2009, 02:47 PM
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I thought that was pretty awesome myself!
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06-12-2009, 03:19 PM
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06-12-2009, 03:56 PM
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I had to watch it again, awesome! The race is showing on the Nascar channel, er Speed TV Sunday afternoon. If you aren't tired after 24 hours of LeMans