Prayers for Felipe Massa - Page 3

AC coupe · 07-25-2009, 09:37 PM

The spring apparently weighs some 800 grams and Massa was travelling at about 260 km/h, you can do the math.

The Brawn uses a 3 spring setup in the rear as mentioned. It's actually 2 torsion bars and one coil. You can see an cool animation of how that setup works here

consolidated · 07-25-2009, 10:10 PM

Freakish incident....the odds of this sequence of events taking place must be near the realm of the impossible, but then it just goes to show that just about anything can happen at the track.

Wishes to Massa for a strong recovery.

Bill L Seifert · 07-25-2009, 10:32 PM

I can't help thinking about Mark Donahue. I think he hit a post that held the catch fence up. (That used to be the way they stopped F1 cars instead of sand, gravel, or asphalt.) Mark was walking and talking after the crash, then collapsed. Also, Liam Neeson's wife last winter.

I really hope he has a total recovery, I have been rooting for him for the past 2 or 3 years.

Bill Seifert

Streak · 07-25-2009, 10:32 PM

I wish him the best.

No open cockpits for me.

paradisenb · 07-25-2009, 11:08 PM

Watched it a few times on Speed. Hurts to watch. Hope for good news tomorrow when they will know more about any long lasting effects.

chris walrod · 07-25-2009, 11:11 PM

Get better FM !! Prayers out to you!!

Geo · 07-25-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill L Seifert

I can't help thinking about Mark Donahue. I think he hit a post that held the catch fence up. (That used to be the way they stopped F1 cars instead of sand, gravel, or asphalt.) Mark was walking and talking after the crash, then collapsed. Also, Liam Neeson's wife last winter.

I really hope he has a total recovery, I have been rooting for him for the past 2 or 3 years.

Bill Seifert

Bill, you bring up some things that concern me so....

I am VERY concerned. Most of you who know me know I am not a fan of Ferrari, but I have always been a fan of Massa (not that it matters, I'd be just as concerned about Schumacher). Sometimes I really hate this sport.

Interesting thing you mention about Liam Neeson's wife. Two weeks ago I was hit by a Jeep while running (I'm OK), but while I thought my injuries were minor, folks convinced me to get checked out because of incidents like Neeson's wife. Very very scary.

Abby · 07-25-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AC coupe

The spring apparently weighs some 800 grams and Massa was travelling at about 260 km/h, you can do the math.

The Brawn uses a 3 spring setup in the rear as mentioned. It's actually 2 torsion bars and one coil. You can see an cool animation of how that setup works here

That's almost 2lbs, correct?

I sure hope and pray he fully recovers.

Flying Finn · 07-25-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Geo

...This is seriously scary. That is a state of the art carbon fiber helmet (hopefully with some Kevlar as well)...

The Schubert helmet Massa, Kimi & some other use can be driven over by a tank (yes, the one army people use) without helmet breaking...

But of course in this incident the spring hit (partially) the eye hole. Had it hit just the helmet, I have no doubt everything would be different now.

This incident has reminded me of Hakkinen's crash in Australia... It was more serious at the time (I mean when he hit the wall and the "aftermath" at the track, obviously we don't know yet what the end result with Massa is, hopefully good!) and it was so bad & sad to see Hakkinen after he came back out of Australia 3 months or so later.
He was very thin, couldn't speak normally, and said himself that he was afraid of walking because if he'd fell...
HOWEVER... When Mika had his first test after crash, after being out so long, VERY close to death etc. etc., in his first test he did a lap record...

Sooo... Hopefully Massa will be back and when it happens, back as strong, if not stronger as ever!

Re: Massa's coma, it is induced (spelling?) by doctors (as already said, normal procedure, I think Hakkinen was in come at least for a week) and they'll wake him up tomorrow so we'll now much more then.

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The earlier report was little too negative and also the report(s) saying that Massa for sure will miss the remaining season is also.
Obviously nothing is 100% sure until tomorrow when he wakes up but Felipe has a good chance that he will be back racing 6 weeks from now. He had no neurological damage which is good.
Also, his parents and wife will be in Hungary tomorrow. Felipe's wife Raffaelle is 6 months pregnant so it's not advisable for her to fly but her doctors cleared her to fly to see Felipe.

D.Keshler · 07-25-2009, 11:35 PM

This sucks all around. I should be happy with FA on pole, but I can't stop thinking about this.

gersar928 · 07-26-2009, 12:27 AM

Not only did he suffer the impact with the spring but that G-meter on the left indicates a big hit into the fence.

George S · 07-26-2009, 01:59 AM

My thoughts are with Massa, his family, and the entire Ferrari team.

Meister Fahrer · 07-26-2009, 05:07 AM

That was crazy. He's quite a scrappy guy, so hope he can fully recover.

That German video coverage was good, of course they're actually live on-site as opposed to the Speed team sitting here in a studio.

Mikelly · 07-26-2009, 08:03 AM

The head is a magical, wonderful, and often mis-understood thing...

I suffered a fractured skull while wearing a top of the line Louis Garneau down hill mountain bike helmet, while doing 5MPH on a cool down "spin" after a downhill run in 1998. The frame of the bike I was riding had suffered a failure and the bike collapsed in on its suspension. I fell over the handlebars (again, we're talking at the speed of a fast walk) and struck my helmeted head on a tree root. And it was lights out.

This happened on December 23rd of that year, and it took about 7 days later for the original mis-diagnosis of "just a concussion" to be re-diagnosed as a hairline fracture to the frontal right lobe. Swelling on the brain, a clot, and other issues put me out of commission for 21 days while the Doctors worked on the swelling and the clot.

That was walking speeds folks...

Looking at that video made me more than just cringe. It's a wonder Massa is still alive and a serious testiment to how well those helmets are made...

Mike

jmreiser · 07-26-2009, 08:07 AM

Good news. Formula1.com has a press release this morning saying Felipe is in Stable condition, and no complications arose overnight.

07-25-2009, 10:32 PM	#34
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07-26-2009, 12:27 AM	#41
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07-26-2009, 05:07 AM	#43
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07-25-2009, 09:37 PM	#31
AC coupe User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The Big Apple Posts: 163	The spring apparently weighs some 800 grams and Massa was travelling at about 260 km/h, you can do the math. The Brawn uses a 3 spring setup in the rear as mentioned. It's actually 2 torsion bars and one coil. You can see an cool animation of how that setup works here

07-25-2009, 10:10 PM	#32
consolidated Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 71	Freakish incident....the odds of this sequence of events taking place must be near the realm of the impossible, but then it just goes to show that just about anything can happen at the track. Wishes to Massa for a strong recovery.

07-25-2009, 10:32 PM	#33
Bill L Seifert User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hailey, Idaho Posts: 1,488	I can't help thinking about Mark Donahue. I think he hit a post that held the catch fence up. (That used to be the way they stopped F1 cars instead of sand, gravel, or asphalt.) Mark was walking and talking after the crash, then collapsed. Also, Liam Neeson's wife last winter. I really hope he has a total recovery, I have been rooting for him for the past 2 or 3 years. Bill Seifert

07-26-2009, 01:59 AM	#42
George S User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MA Posts: 116	My thoughts are with Massa, his family, and the entire Ferrari team.

07-26-2009, 08:03 AM	#44
Mikelly Addict Rennlist Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 969	The head is a magical, wonderful, and often mis-understood thing... I suffered a fractured skull while wearing a top of the line Louis Garneau down hill mountain bike helmet, while doing 5MPH on a cool down "spin" after a downhill run in 1998. The frame of the bike I was riding had suffered a failure and the bike collapsed in on its suspension. I fell over the handlebars (again, we're talking at the speed of a fast walk) and struck my helmeted head on a tree root. And it was lights out. This happened on December 23rd of that year, and it took about 7 days later for the original mis-diagnosis of "just a concussion" to be re-diagnosed as a hairline fracture to the frontal right lobe. Swelling on the brain, a clot, and other issues put me out of commission for 21 days while the Doctors worked on the swelling and the clot. That was walking speeds folks... Looking at that video made me more than just cringe. It's a wonder Massa is still alive and a serious testiment to how well those helmets are made... Mike __________________ No no, It's not me, it's the car...

07-26-2009, 08:07 AM	#45
jmreiser User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: WNY Posts: 177	Good news. Formula1.com has a press release this morning saying Felipe is in Stable condition, and no complications arose overnight.