winders

Justice? I call it a travesty of justice. These cars are in the same class fighting for the lead and there was no blocking going on. There was no double move anywhere in the video. All I saw was defensive driving by the lead car.

Scott

Sean F

If it's blocking, we're all guilty at LRP

fstockcarrera

No Blocking but poor driving by the lead car.

It is better race craft, had you hung on his bumper through the uphill and west bend and taken a run in the downhill you would have passed him several laps earlier.

It is virtually impossible with same class cars to pass in the uphill or west bend unless he really makes a mistake or points you by. By taking a peek inside you are just loosing real estate that you worked for. IMO

Streak

I think some money changed hands

bsztanko

bull**** call. no blocking.

Vampire

So how defensive can one get in PCA Club Racing before it is considered poor sportsmanship or a warrants a black flag?

Yes, a multiple move zig zag is bad.

What about early apex to prevent the inside dive and other similar "wide" lines?

jrgordonsenior

Was that PCA's own scruts running the race or Limerock's crew? We're all expected to know the rules so it seems fair that the scruts should know them too. There wasn't any blocking that I could see. Has amateur racing become part of the PC/nanny state?....

fuenfer

Agreed. Not only do I not see any blocking, but I saw many others taking similar lines through that corner. It's rather inconsistent to penalize just this one driver.

Lemming

Nothing egregious. The only place that i might call blocking was in T1. If he is on the inside down most of the straight (legal), then the early apex should put him on the outside coming out of turn 1 but he held the inside line. Once you tried an outside/in on him and he came back on you (see for example the 1:20 mark).

MUSSBERGER

I think you should have gone in to the station to stick up for him.

This wasn't the only BF for this.

The whole thing would have sorted itself out on its own.

fleadh

No blocking at all.

In fact, I think he did a great job holding you back (without blocking) when you could obviously have turned faster laps.

It's RACING. Not a god damned DE event.

If I was in that region I'd clarify with whoever decided to black flag him, and if that's how it's going to be judged in the future I'd find another group to race with.

Btw, what was up with the flaggers at the exit of T1/T2 (I'm not familiar with the track) showing the blue flag to the guy fighting for position? Maybe they black flagged him for ignoring it (stupid if it's a race in class).

-mike

edit: here's a 40 sec clip from a club race i did this weekend. imagine if those guys had been flagging it! i thought the guy i was battling with did a great job and drove totally clean. due to the differences in cars it was just very difficult to get him while we were turning laps within half a second of each other. btw, the entire race was that way.. i started on pole, he drove around me at the green flag and i was on his bumper for 20 laps. that was the last corner of the last lap.

jrgordonsenior

Great setup coming out of T10. You left him nowhere to be but on the inside line thru T11. Perfectly executed scissors move behind him and off you go. How close was he at the finish?

So how did you like the Michelin's versus Pirelli's or Yokes?

fleadh

Thanks! I won by about .1 sec.. he was much faster in the straights and was about to drive by me. :-)

I ran Yokohamas... shhhhhh... our little secret! (needed the practice on those tires before the ALMS event). Haven't had the chance to run Michelins on the 2011 Cup yet, but I'm *really* looking forward to it. They were about 1 sec/lap faster on the old 2009 Cup at most places.

-mike

Sterling Doc

In in the new driver session before my first PCA race at Road America, we were told that blocking is "any move that causes the driver behind you to have to back out of the throttle" That seems tough to know, or judge, but was (is?) the standard.
"One move" was specifically not the correct answer to the "what is blocking?" question.

chrisp

Maybe the black flag was for the workers in the uphill fearing for their lives. That was a pretty interesting technique over the crest.