Mystery engine problem Help !
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Mystery engine problem Help !
At my last race weekend in NJ I was black flagged several times for getting an occasional puff of greyish smoke out of the rear of the car. Seems like it only did it during load as we can not recreate it on the Dyno. We have done just about every test imaginable. Compression, leak down, no codes being thrown, engine has been scoped, no leaks, oil is good, water is good. All the numbers have been excellent.
It has the motorsports AOS that was installed just 2 years ago. I have not heard of these going bad but that is the hunch of the mechanic. Any thoughts appreciated.
Car is my 996 race car. Stock 3.6 engine.
It has the motorsports AOS that was installed just 2 years ago. I have not heard of these going bad but that is the hunch of the mechanic. Any thoughts appreciated.
Car is my 996 race car. Stock 3.6 engine.
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You can't recreate it on a dyno since there are no lateral g forces involved. The AOS is most likely on its way out. You can test the crankcase vacuum if it is excessive you know that it is the AOS.
Engine crankcase vacuum is normally around 4-7” (Inches) of water. When the oil separators fail the crankcase vacuum can rise to 9-12” and even higher. The other thing you will see if the car running abnormally rich.
While the 986/987s generate a massive smoke screen the 996/997 seem to make a puff here and there but the problem is you are ingesting oil into the intake and will foul up your plugs, etc.
Why on earth would they black flag you for a "puff" of smoke? A smoke screen I could understand.
Hope this helps.
-P
Engine crankcase vacuum is normally around 4-7” (Inches) of water. When the oil separators fail the crankcase vacuum can rise to 9-12” and even higher. The other thing you will see if the car running abnormally rich.
While the 986/987s generate a massive smoke screen the 996/997 seem to make a puff here and there but the problem is you are ingesting oil into the intake and will foul up your plugs, etc.
Why on earth would they black flag you for a "puff" of smoke? A smoke screen I could understand.
Hope this helps.
-P
Last edited by Paul 996; 09-09-2013 at 10:50 AM. Reason: Added more details
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Three Wheelin'
You can't recreate it on a dyno since there are no lateral g forces involved. The AOS is most likely on its way out. You can test the crankcase vacuum if it is excessive you know that it is the AOS.
Engine crankcase vacuum is normally around 4-7” (Inches) of water. When the oil separators fail the crankcase vacuum can rise to 9-12” and even higher. The other thing you will see if the car running abnormally rich.
While the 986/987s generate a massive smoke screen the 996/997 seem to make a puff here and there but the problem is you are ingesting oil into the intake and will foul up your plugs, etc.
Why on earth would they black flag you for a "puff" of smoke? A smoke screen I could understand.
Hope this helps.
-P
Engine crankcase vacuum is normally around 4-7” (Inches) of water. When the oil separators fail the crankcase vacuum can rise to 9-12” and even higher. The other thing you will see if the car running abnormally rich.
While the 986/987s generate a massive smoke screen the 996/997 seem to make a puff here and there but the problem is you are ingesting oil into the intake and will foul up your plugs, etc.
Why on earth would they black flag you for a "puff" of smoke? A smoke screen I could understand.
Hope this helps.
-P
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hey Scott is there evidence of oil in the intake tract? do the plugs look at all 'ashy'? I had a car that was ingesting lots of oil and it was obvious in the intake tract (very oily) and the plugs (especially the electodes) looked white and ashy due to all the oil being burned up.
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Hey, Puff Daddy, I agree--replace AOS and check intake tract and plugs for evidence of oil fouling.
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AOS is the most likely candidate, but also check your oil level. You could be slightly overfilled. In my opinion, if you are at the maximum mark, you're overfilled. Most times you will see smoke on startup when overfilled, but worth checking
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hey Scott is there evidence of oil in the intake tract? do the plugs look at all 'ashy'? I had a car that was ingesting lots of oil and it was obvious in the intake tract (very oily) and the plugs (especially the electodes) looked white and ashy due to all the oil being burned up.
Todd
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oil halfway up the stick. No smoke at start up. Can't recreate smoke on dyno.
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The scruts were all over this at the NJ race, they black flagged me as well and I could find nothing wrong with the car, not even a drop of oil leaking onto the exhaust. My guess is someone who was just puffing at a recent race caused an incident.
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yeah, maybe it had something to do with someone oiling half the track and not noticing the giant cloud trailing their car. pretty long cleanup after that.
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