Video of Jules Bianchi crash
10-09-2014, 03:58 PM
#92
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10-09-2014, 04:43 PM
#93
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They have these things called radios and steering wheels that communicate lots of information. I assure you that every driver on track knew a car was off in that corner, it was a yellow flag condition, and a safety vehicle was out on track.
10-09-2014, 05:54 PM
#94
When these cars are on a section that is yellow flagged, or in a pit lane, paddock, etc. race control should be able to remotely engage speed limiters. It might have saved Maria Villota as well.
And those dump trucks on track, they should be retrofitted with a safer barrier around them. But either way, it should never have been allowed on that side of the wall without the safety car out. Unbelievable that they could be so negligent.
10-09-2014, 06:00 PM
#95
Drifting
pretty sure there are no yellow lights around sazuka....only flags.
Several of the on board steering wheel screens were not working because of the water as shown by the world feed...
with the spray which im sure made it hard to see the flaggers, no track caution lights, no display on the steering wheel....he may not have even known it was a yellow in that section......
Several of the on board steering wheel screens were not working because of the water as shown by the world feed...
with the spray which im sure made it hard to see the flaggers, no track caution lights, no display on the steering wheel....he may not have even known it was a yellow in that section......
10-09-2014, 06:03 PM
#96
Drifting
There is a small wind deflector at the leading edge of the cockpit. I would expect the design might well be to flow air over the facemask of the drivers to have that air push off any water droplets. Presumably the drivers visors are clearer than the onboard cameras covered in droplets. Of course ,for aero drag reasons, I could well be wrong.
10-09-2014, 08:23 PM
#97
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Given the state he is in- is it to the point pulling the plug on him by his immediate family. Don't know much about that specific injury he suffered but if prognosis is he'll remain in a vegetative state- I like my immediate family to pull the plug on me. Way the type of brain injury he sustained- sounds grim to me. Mike
10-09-2014, 10:01 PM
#98
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Bottas (who passed that point before Bianci) said it was marked correctly with double yellows which also was shown on car's display.
He said in his opinion there was no problem in seeing the yellows.
He saw the green flags after the problem area and that that was correctly marked.
He described the race as difficult wet race on the limit of being able to drive.
When asked his speed at the area, he didn't know but said it was slow because double yellows which means you might have to stop so you need to slow down a lot.
He said in his opinion there was no problem in seeing the yellows.
He saw the green flags after the problem area and that that was correctly marked.
He described the race as difficult wet race on the limit of being able to drive.
When asked his speed at the area, he didn't know but said it was slow because double yellows which means you might have to stop so you need to slow down a lot.
Last edited by Flying Finn; 10-10-2014 at 07:46 AM.
10-10-2014, 07:16 PM
#99
So when you saw the white flag and emergency vehicle on track did you park your car or pull into the pits? If not, you've demonstrated a much better definition of hyprocracy than the race organizers.
Personally I love hot extractions as it allows for more track time. I'd like to think that my fellow racers and myself are more than capable of slower down and safely navigating around the obstacle just as we would a slow moving race car or a parked race car under yellow conditions. Yes there are exceptions, but those exceptions should not have a racing license, and that is a different issue.
Racing is dangerous. Statistically speaking there will be an occasional catastrophe. Creating a sport that is perfectly safe would probably be a whole lot less fun than what we enjoy now. Think auto cross with bowling lane style bumpers marking the track and cars powered by a 9v battery. I'll pass.
Drivers understand the rules, know the conditions ahead of time, an can choose to accept that risk and drive or watch from the sidelines. Don't like hot extractions? Then don't race at tracks that perform them. I choose personal responsibility before blaming others.
Personally I love hot extractions as it allows for more track time. I'd like to think that my fellow racers and myself are more than capable of slower down and safely navigating around the obstacle just as we would a slow moving race car or a parked race car under yellow conditions. Yes there are exceptions, but those exceptions should not have a racing license, and that is a different issue.
Racing is dangerous. Statistically speaking there will be an occasional catastrophe. Creating a sport that is perfectly safe would probably be a whole lot less fun than what we enjoy now. Think auto cross with bowling lane style bumpers marking the track and cars powered by a 9v battery. I'll pass.
Drivers understand the rules, know the conditions ahead of time, an can choose to accept that risk and drive or watch from the sidelines. Don't like hot extractions? Then don't race at tracks that perform them. I choose personal responsibility before blaming others.
While I disagree with your conclusions, if you feel green-flag, wheel to wheel racing with 9000LB tow vehicles going 20MPH on the racing line is "safe" or "fun", then knock yourself out.
I simply included this as an example of how placing "The Show" ahead of prudent safety procedures is creating unnecessary risk, at many levels of racing.
No procedure is so perfect that it should not be subjected to rational scrutiny.
But this is not the proper forum for this specific issue.
10-10-2014, 08:18 PM
#101
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Here's the data cast showing Bianchi doing in the neighborhood of 200km/h. Yes it shows a drop right at the end but honestly the resolution is too crappy for that to be a definite change. Any way you cut it there is no way he was doing 45ish.
My guess is that he was doing 200+ through there like everyone else. Once he lost traction there really wasn't any way for him to get it slowed down much at all. So I'm gonna go with the impact speed north of 100mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS33TY50CU#t=111
My guess is that he was doing 200+ through there like everyone else. Once he lost traction there really wasn't any way for him to get it slowed down much at all. So I'm gonna go with the impact speed north of 100mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DS33TY50CU#t=111
10-10-2014, 08:34 PM
#103
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As a matter of fact, I did pull into the pits, and onto the trailer.
While I disagree with your conclusions, if you feel green-flag, wheel to wheel racing with 9000LB tow vehicles going 20MPH on the racing line is "safe" or "fun", then knock yourself out.
I simply included this as an example of how placing "The Show" ahead of prudent safety procedures is creating unnecessary risk, at many levels of racing.
No procedure is so perfect that it should not be subjected to rational scrutiny.
But this is not the proper forum for this specific issue.
While I disagree with your conclusions, if you feel green-flag, wheel to wheel racing with 9000LB tow vehicles going 20MPH on the racing line is "safe" or "fun", then knock yourself out.
I simply included this as an example of how placing "The Show" ahead of prudent safety procedures is creating unnecessary risk, at many levels of racing.
No procedure is so perfect that it should not be subjected to rational scrutiny.
But this is not the proper forum for this specific issue.
If someone is concerned about safely passing a 20mph vehicle after being warned with flags how is this person going to safely drive next to my door at full tilt boogie as we simultaneously attack the T17 apex at Sebring? If you can't do the former, please don't try the latter. And if you can't do the latter, other sports beckon.
10-10-2014, 09:11 PM
#104
I mean this in the most respectful way, but I think Time Trials or autoX are better sports for you. If you are unable to manage or accept the risk of a hot extraction you really should not be out there racing. That occurrence is a fundamentally basic routine of EVERY sanctioning body I have raced with, and I have raced with many. The only times hot extractions don't happen is when the track is not equipped to do so.
If someone is concerned about safely passing a 20mph vehicle after being warned with flags how is this person going to safely drive next to my door at full tilt boogie as we simultaneously attack the T17 apex at Sebring? If you can't do the former, please don't try the latter. And if you can't do the latter, other sports beckon.
If someone is concerned about safely passing a 20mph vehicle after being warned with flags how is this person going to safely drive next to my door at full tilt boogie as we simultaneously attack the T17 apex at Sebring? If you can't do the former, please don't try the latter. And if you can't do the latter, other sports beckon.
First, "full tilt boogie" is not a racing term.
Second, I am fully aware of what it takes to race door to door at 10/10ths, and don't want a Ford F450 introduced into the equation.
My point is that race control procedures need to be constantly evolved, and the risk associated with a stranded car must be weighed against the risks associated with extracting that car.
10-10-2014, 11:42 PM
#105
I mean this in the most respectful way, but I think Time Trials or autoX are better sports for you. If you are unable to manage or accept the risk of a hot extraction you really should not be out there racing. That occurrence is a fundamentally basic routine of EVERY sanctioning body I have raced with, and I have raced with many. The only times hot extractions don't happen is when the track is not equipped to do so.
If someone is concerned about safely passing a 20mph vehicle after being warned with flags how is this person going to safely drive next to my door at full tilt boogie as we simultaneously attack the T17 apex at Sebring? If you can't do the former, please don't try the latter. And if you can't do the latter, other sports beckon.
If someone is concerned about safely passing a 20mph vehicle after being warned with flags how is this person going to safely drive next to my door at full tilt boogie as we simultaneously attack the T17 apex at Sebring? If you can't do the former, please don't try the latter. And if you can't do the latter, other sports beckon.
Why not? Look here:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...ll+tilt+boogie
And here:
http://fulltiltboogieracing.com/
Second, I am fully aware of what it takes to race door to door at 10/10ths, and don't want a Ford F450 introduced into the equation.
My point is that race control procedures need to be constantly evolved, and the risk associated with a stranded car must be weighed against the risks associated with extracting that car.
My point is that race control procedures need to be constantly evolved, and the risk associated with a stranded car must be weighed against the risks associated with extracting that car.