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Lewis Hamilton
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Nico Rosberg
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Sebastian Vettel
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Kimi Raikkonen
11.11%
Valterri Bottas
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Felipe Massa
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Daniil Kvyat
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Felipe Nasr
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0%
Jenson Button
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0%
Fernando Alonso
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0%
Marcus Ericsson
0
0%
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2016 Spanish Grand Prix

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Old 05-15-2016, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray S
Rosberg closed the door too late IMO. Hammy already had his nose in and as a result he had no where to go.

A racing incident, but I'd say Nico was more at fault than Hammy.
I don't know about this. If someone is slamming the door shut, and you stick your foot in the door, is the person slamming the door at fault?

Hammy saw that the door was being shut and decided to plow ahead. He managed to get his nose in as it closed and this is what happened.

I give the blame to Hammy.
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I have to agree with Nico. He was ahead and it was his right to close the door on Hammy. There was no overlap at all and he only made one move. Hammy went anyway and is lucky that they called it a "racing incident".

It is ridiculous how much they have to do with settings and buttons. It makes Verstappen's win all the more impressive since he had only been in the car for the first time this weekend.

Kimi even seemed to have a glint of humor during the press conference when he joked about racing against Verstappen's father.
+1. Everyone we would be saying how great and aggressive and wonderful a driver that Lewis is and how Nico was a tool and his fault if Lewis was in the lead and made that exact same move.
Old 05-15-2016, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I don't know about this. If someone is slamming the door shut, and you stick your foot in the door, is the person slamming the door at fault?

Hammy saw that the door was being shut and decided to plow ahead. He managed to get his nose in as it closed and this is what happened.

I give the blame to Hammy.
No different than the corner at the end of the Kemmel straight at Spa.... That was blamed on Nico. Nico was already moving over and Hamilton's front wheel was no further ahead than Nico's rear. Hamilton never lifted or backed off. In my mind, it's on him and about time that Nico is playing by the same rules that Lewis is. Just a shame that Lewis ran into the back of him
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Originally Posted by LuigiVampa
I don't know about this. If someone is slamming the door shut, and you stick your foot in the door, is the person slamming the door at fault?
They are if the foot is already in the door. Hamilton was committed at that point and had no where to go.

Like I said, neither is faultless but Nico shut the door after Hammy was already along side.



What a still image doesn't show is the speed difference. Hamilton was carrying a lot more speed and had no where to go.
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Lewis sticking the nose of his car up to the rear wheel of Nico's car is hardly alongside him. In fact to do do, his outside front wheel is almost off the track. Clearly Lewis has not presented himself nor earned the right to be there. Even a club racer would have shut the door on him. I do not see much room to argue this any other way.
Old 05-16-2016, 02:09 AM
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Great Ferrari Red Bull battle! You could see both the Ferrari's straight line speed and then out brake the Red Bulls. And the RB gain mid corner and exit. Then of course tire management the last five laps.
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Old 05-16-2016, 07:44 AM
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I think this link may work. Nico's engine mode error made him a sitting duck coming out of the turn. This is no different than if the car in front of you misses a shift or hits the rev limiter . You move out to pass. I know when you bump the rev limiter at a start cars come up on you like your stopped on a highway. You don't assume you can put your car anywhere until your back up to speed. (you screwed up , check your mirrors the guy behind is either passed you or beside you now). It's a good way to ball up 4 or 5 cars.
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Club racing mindset is apples to oranges.

We amateurs can trash it all we want but the professionals paid to make the call didn't see an infraction. http://www.f1technical.net/news/2033...c4273a2084b73e
Old 05-16-2016, 10:34 AM
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I can't stand it. It's a blatant block and has no relation to driving skill; driving across the road to the other side of the preferred line, I'm getting so sick of this. At least leave one car width of roadway if you're going to be that much of an asshat since the opponent clearly has a run on you and is coming through. If the stakes were higher, like in the days of a very possible fatality, you'd never see this garbage driving.
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I'm taking mental notes on which racers in this thread who think it was OK for Rosberg to do what he did.
Old 05-16-2016, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Club racing mindset is apples to oranges.

We amateurs can trash it all we want but the professionals paid to make the call didn't see an infraction. http://www.f1technical.net/news/2033...c4273a2084b73e
They almost never get involved in issues between two cars on same team.

They almost always call things racing incidents because they are afraid to put blame on anyone unless it is painfully obvious.
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This isn't club racing. There is NO comparison. If you drive like Rosberg did last year, you encourage dive bombs. Stand your ground. Maybe next time Hammy will hesitate for a second or be smart enough to get the lead driver to commit in and go back out to the preferred line.
Old 05-16-2016, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Club racing mindset is apples to oranges.

We amateurs can trash it all we want but the professionals paid to make the call didn't see an infraction. http://www.f1technical.net/news/2033...c4273a2084b73e
I see it exactly the same way.
Each time I watched the incident I would come away blaming one or the other. I don't think this was a clear cut blame situation.

All that said, having the Mercs out made for a much more entertaining race.
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Vettel and Ricciardo (strategists) blew the race on terrible strategy calls. Vettel did a run of 8 laps on the softs... why bother? Either you do a 2 stop strategy or you do a 3 stop. VET and RIC both did half *** 3 stop strategy and gave away pace and track position.


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