User 52121

2014 Cayman S w/PDK and Sports Chrono.

91K-Man

Grade all the instructors first in a prepped 944, no aids. Then grade the students in one , no aids. Then you can make a decision who can drive or not. Yes, there's details to work out. You find out who has the ability to drive. might hurt some feelings a long the way. back to the race car.

Berringer

That hits close to home. I was really hoping you were going to say corvette.

chrisc

Porsche 2017 Sport Chrono option for 781 & 991.2 cars has a PSM Sport selection, not fully off but not as intrusive as full on. Most noticeable is allows more throttle control when the car gets loose, doesn't deaden the throttle response.

LuigiVampa

I don't think anyone is advocating taking a noob student out on the track, who you just met that morning, with all the nannies turned off.

The question is this:

Isn't there a point in a driver's development when they benefit from having the nannies turned off?

Qwickrick

Luigi
If they are in green and yellow instructed, leave them on. If the nannies kick in, use it as a learning tool and discuss with student why they went on.
If going on a ride-along with a solo driver, and if they have them off and you're comfortable with that, it's your call. You do have to consider their experience level, what safety devices the car has, and the car itself. I don't want to sit in the right seat of a new GT3, RS or Turbo or even a new Carrera S, with lap belts and no nannies when they run out of talent.
And you know, I do get those high HP ride-alongside

mark kibort

yes, because half the things im going to teach them after they learn the line, is about car control. the nannies mask almost all things that driving a racecar on the track can do. But, as an instructor you must find a stage to teach these techniques. it requires discipline and agreement with the student to back the speed way off, and teach car control. skid pad is good for basics, but you cant teach the nuances on a skid pad.. that's mainly break-free, and recovery drills.

yes, there is.. and its fundamental to development. its after the line and other basics are learned. then, its about controlling the car at and beyond the limit. its not about lap time or straight line speed, its about car control.

yep, and thats why when they are turned off, its a different set of rules if im going to be in the car. THEN, if they want and i feel they are capable, ill advise them to go out alone and do it themselves........sometimes they do it without me , and invariablly, they talk about the spin they just had on the back side of the track on some hairpin...... cars are so automatic, that folks are not learning the art of driving... all they learn is how to go faster and faster, and i think that is dangerous.

LuigiVampa

Agreed, and you are a brave man for taking those rides.

However, I think the greater risk is having to wash puke out of a brand new GT4!

Qwickrick

The "puker" had excellent reflexes and puked in his own helmet. No splatter. However his headset had to be recycled

LuigiVampa

I believe the helmet has now been retired as well!

This is truly the unspoken danger of being an instructor.

Paul Solk

Interesting article... Arguably one of the quickest and most talented young drivers in the sport yet never had to learn what many here would refer to as the basics...

https://www.adaptnetwork.com/sports/...-heel-and-toe/

LuigiVampa

Maybe next they could work on BOTS (brake, off, turn, squeeze). Clearly, he could use some coaching, the poor kid!

DTMiller

Not eligible for Chin red group if you can't heel toe! Hope he gets over it.

mlct

Well...the helmet came back after a dunking in a big bucket...electronics in a plastic bag. Ask me how I know...

For those who don't know the story I discovered I had some food poisoning while riding along with Qwickrick on an instructor mentoring ride. It has been retired for use by any passengers who need a helmet..."all helmets smell like that"....

LuigiVampa

Aww c'mon! No one knew who we were talking about until you outed yourself!

That helmet is going to be an awesome loaner in August when it gets nice and warm.