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03-26-2021, 11:08 AM
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the teslas are very fast sedans that offer sedan like ride feel while the taycan ride it truly a sports car ride, in the tradition of porschre.
the tesla fan bois can wail all day long about this reality, while a tesla might beat a taycan on a 0-60 race 99.9% of driving is not a launch from a standing start.
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03-26-2021, 11:09 AM
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the 3 is a fine daily driver, but it isn't a taycan. and yes there is an over abundance of odd thinkers over at that tesla forum.
03-26-2021, 11:28 AM
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03-26-2021, 12:59 PM
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03-26-2021, 01:16 PM
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In all my years of driving, I've never experienced this much of this phenomenon, this regularly, in any car. That's a subjective evaluation. Finally, what makes it an opinion is that I find this behavior "excessive".
03-26-2021, 10:14 PM
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The Model 3P’s ride/handling balance is really very good overall. It may be missing that last 10% of polish provided by the best Euro competitors but for 90% of drivers most of the it’s more than good enough.
Anyone complaining about its ride must not have driven a recent competitive BMW M-Car or AMG, because they ride worse.
Anyone complaining about its ride must not have driven a recent competitive BMW M-Car or AMG, because they ride worse.
Oh, the cult of Elon is strong.
My issue with the Taycan is while I can afford it, I really don't want to think about putting 25k to 30k miles a year on it and thinking what that will look like for warranty or depreciation. I'm not quite baller enough to afford that, lol. Now, if nice pre-owned one suffering a ton of depreciation comes up with some good warranty left....well then things might change.
My issue with the Taycan is while I can afford it, I really don't want to think about putting 25k to 30k miles a year on it and thinking what that will look like for warranty or depreciation. I'm not quite baller enough to afford that, lol. Now, if nice pre-owned one suffering a ton of depreciation comes up with some good warranty left....well then things might change.
Both BMW and MB have been making crap cars for the past decade which has made it even easier for Tesla to steal away many of their customers the past few years, which is one reason they are both finally accepting the need to produce BEVs.
I find my M3P to be a great and fun daily driver. (And I still say that while my other car for weekend fun/long trips/track is a 991.2 GT3!)
The M3P suspension is fairly decent, but the things that really make the car shine are the power to weight ratio, (compared not only to ICE cars, but also to other BEVs), 500 HP and 500 torque in a car with a small footprint, short wheelbase, 3.1 sec 0-60 time, while weighing 1100 lbs less than a Taycan, and this all makes for a fun DD.
Also agree the new Taycan is overpriced and the value will plummet in 2-3 years, plus the charging network isn’t currently ready for prime time. But a used Taycan in 2-3 years at a great deal, could be very tempting, as both things could be quite different in 3 years.
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03-27-2021, 12:09 AM
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agree with you both to a degree. Of course The M3P does not handle as well as a Porsche and it is somewhat inferior to a recent BMW/Mercedes, though that later handling difference is no longer large.
Both BMW and MB have been making crap cars for the past decade which has made it even easier for Tesla to steal away many of their customers the past few years, which is one reason they are both finally accepting The need to produce BEVs.
I find my M3P to be a great and fun daily driver. (And I still say that while my other car for weekend fun/long trips/track is a 991.2 GT3!)
The M3P suspension is fairly decent, but the things that really make the car shine are the power to weight ratio, (compared not only to ICE cars, but also to other BEVs), 500 HP and 500 torque in a car with a small footprint, short wheelbase, 3.1 sec 0-60 time, while weighing 1100 lbs less than a Taycan, and this all makes for a fun DD.
Also agree the new Taycan is overpriced and the value will plummet in 2-3 years, plus the charging network isn’t currently ready for prime time. But a used Taycan in 2-3 years at a great deal, could be very tempting, as both things could be quite different in 3 years.
Both BMW and MB have been making crap cars for the past decade which has made it even easier for Tesla to steal away many of their customers the past few years, which is one reason they are both finally accepting The need to produce BEVs.
I find my M3P to be a great and fun daily driver. (And I still say that while my other car for weekend fun/long trips/track is a 991.2 GT3!)
The M3P suspension is fairly decent, but the things that really make the car shine are the power to weight ratio, (compared not only to ICE cars, but also to other BEVs), 500 HP and 500 torque in a car with a small footprint, short wheelbase, 3.1 sec 0-60 time, while weighing 1100 lbs less than a Taycan, and this all makes for a fun DD.
Also agree the new Taycan is overpriced and the value will plummet in 2-3 years, plus the charging network isn’t currently ready for prime time. But a used Taycan in 2-3 years at a great deal, could be very tempting, as both things could be quite different in 3 years.
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03-27-2021, 09:05 AM
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03-28-2021, 09:07 AM
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My video shows a clear behavior of repeated vertical oscillation of a vehicle while driving. That's a data point. It is a fact, which does not care about your opinion.
In all my years of driving, I've never experienced this much of this phenomenon, this regularly, in any car. That's a subjective evaluation. Finally, what makes it an opinion is that I find this behavior "excessive".
In all my years of driving, I've never experienced this much of this phenomenon, this regularly, in any car. That's a subjective evaluation. Finally, what makes it an opinion is that I find this behavior "excessive".
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03-28-2021, 03:57 PM
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They are the perfect combo! Both enjoyable in completely different ways.
A daily driver (even a fun one) is still a tool to get from A to B, compared to a weekend fun car.
I can’t spend all that money on a Taycan Turbo, particularly when I put 20,000 miles a year on my daily driver due to travel with my job. The depreciation would be murder!
However I may have to consider adding coil overs to my M3P!
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03-29-2021, 10:08 AM
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04-03-2021, 08:34 PM
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The suspension wasn't bad...but it wasn't good either.
04-03-2021, 08:51 PM
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(apologies for the dirt obscuring the photo)
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04-04-2021, 11:05 AM
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Delicately wading into this argument. Living in New York as I do, the roads are utterly awful and immediately exacerbate and highlight the weaknesses of a cars suspension and handling.
My 2 cents coming from a 911 and a MB e450 wagon (eats up bumps with aplomb except for bumpstops that restrict travel and about an inch more length):
Drove the Teslas during my evaluation of getting an EV to partake in this glorious revolution. The power is intense, the software is sleek, and the quality does seem to be improving. However, they are still cheap compared to German luxury cars and, getting in topic, just have mediocre handling abilities. No direct steering or feel of the road. Sloppy, plain and simple. It actually creates an environment where the crazy power feels dangerous rather than exhilarating. Interesting, I rented a Camry recently and the Tesla and Camry have that same driving characteristic. Sloppy but fine. Sure, for the money, perhaps the M3 is a good car (er EV) but frankly, I'd rather drive just about any other midsize German luxury sedan.
The Taycan, on the other hand, was transformative. I literally couldn't believe it's ability to linearly attack the road AND soak up crappy roads and highways (I95 in particular). Yes, the car is expensive but it is not meant to be an eco-box. Like all Porsches, it is simply better and thus costs more. As Ferris Bueller once said, "if you have the means, I highly recommend it."
Been in ICE Porsches for decades and this Taycan (Turbo S and 4S both) were just a great sign of the direction that EVs are going. Very cool to have another great option out there...at a price.
So, the summary, the Tesla M3 and MS are fine. They are trailblazers and for most commuting they offer a superb alternative. However, they are just outclassed by the Taycan when it comes to handling and driving. Now, is it worth the extra money? That's in you. For my part, I put in my order a couple days ago...for the Taycan.
My 2 cents coming from a 911 and a MB e450 wagon (eats up bumps with aplomb except for bumpstops that restrict travel and about an inch more length):
Drove the Teslas during my evaluation of getting an EV to partake in this glorious revolution. The power is intense, the software is sleek, and the quality does seem to be improving. However, they are still cheap compared to German luxury cars and, getting in topic, just have mediocre handling abilities. No direct steering or feel of the road. Sloppy, plain and simple. It actually creates an environment where the crazy power feels dangerous rather than exhilarating. Interesting, I rented a Camry recently and the Tesla and Camry have that same driving characteristic. Sloppy but fine. Sure, for the money, perhaps the M3 is a good car (er EV) but frankly, I'd rather drive just about any other midsize German luxury sedan.
The Taycan, on the other hand, was transformative. I literally couldn't believe it's ability to linearly attack the road AND soak up crappy roads and highways (I95 in particular). Yes, the car is expensive but it is not meant to be an eco-box. Like all Porsches, it is simply better and thus costs more. As Ferris Bueller once said, "if you have the means, I highly recommend it."
Been in ICE Porsches for decades and this Taycan (Turbo S and 4S both) were just a great sign of the direction that EVs are going. Very cool to have another great option out there...at a price.
So, the summary, the Tesla M3 and MS are fine. They are trailblazers and for most commuting they offer a superb alternative. However, they are just outclassed by the Taycan when it comes to handling and driving. Now, is it worth the extra money? That's in you. For my part, I put in my order a couple days ago...for the Taycan.
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04-04-2021, 10:28 PM
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