diver110

I know only a Porsche is a Porsche, but has anyone seen any direct comparisons of the Taycan versus the Tesla S Plaid or Tesla 3? I have always heard the 3 is the best handling Tesla, though I don't know if the new Plaid has upped the S's game.

CarAholic

Don't believe any plaids have been delivered and the Taycan is another level for handling vs model 3. The model three is a well handling electric car but the Taycan feels pretty much just like a 911. Can't match either in speed unless you go turbo or above but with that said I think the 4S is plenty.

daveo4porsche

the Model 3 is a well handling 4 door sedan with a low center of gravity given the inheirent design advantage of EV’s having a low down battery for the “floor”- Taycan is better but heavier than the Model 3 - Model 3 is about the weight of the BMW AWD x4 sedans gas cars - different cars, different price points, different class of interior

I owned a ‘18 Model 3 performance which was ok, but an after market shock job transformed the vehicle vs. the OEM stock suspension - a Model 3 is better than most on this forum with like to admit, but I own both products and porsche is better - Model S is heavier than the Model 3 and I don’t see that changing anytime soon - it will have oddles of power but I don’t expect the refinement of a porsche for handling

the plaid is an unrelease product at this time and Tesla will be late as they always are…I’d suggest waiting, and see what actually gets delivered - it is however increasing clear to me that Tesla has and will maintain the lead in digital automotive technology (software, OTA, app integration, etc, adding features after purchase) - I have little faith however that they will improve (or see the need to improve) their mechanical engineering abilities beyond relentless powertrain improvements - they are probably status quo on supension, handling and ride quality and interior design & quality.

Porsche will maintain their lead in mechanical engineering and attention to physical details - and we will continue to lament their lack of progress in understanding the increasingly digital nature of their products and they are ill-equipped mentiall, culturally, or organizationally to make the necessary changes to be better in this space - they are also handicapped with the requirement to share technology investment across 3 brands (VW/Audi/Porshe) with competing market segments, price points and value propositions.

for the next 5 years I see Tesla Leading in technology and EV advancement, but status quo on mechanical features beyond drive train boosting - and I see the germans maintaining their lead and long history in mechanical engineering abilities and quality, but still lacking an app that can reliably unlock the car without draining the 12V battery...

as to which set of feature and problems you prefer in your product that will be a personal choice.

daveo4porsche

Tesla does software as well as Porsche makes cars…
Porsche does software as well as Tesla make cars…

it’s ashame one can’t learn from the other.

flygdchman

The Taycan driver doesn't appear to be that good.

kort677

the model 3 is a fine car, much sportier than the model s but it is spartan, I refer to it as the camry of tesla, inexpensive but very functional. the porsche is a far superior car but it is crippled by a terrible fast charging system which renders it to be like a limited range EV. I say this because the EA system and the software to connect to the EA system is glitch prone and unreliable. and in that regard the tesla is far superior

RCorsa

I’ve had two model s and just traded my Model 3 performance for a Taycan 4s. Honestly except for range the Taycan blows it out of the water in feel, fit and finish. Performance is about the same but the Porsche feels faster probably due to weight and connection to the road. Tesla claims 305 but get about 250 miles the the Taycan 220 miles. The only other thing is autopilot which is pretty great in the Tesla. It’s still glitchy, and they are obviously miles ahead of everyone else. Porsche auto cruise is very basic in comparison

Needsdecaf

Yup. This pretty much sums it up perfectly. Except the weight. The Model 3 is lighter.

Cheshi143

It's because Tesla's software engineers work for Tesla. Porsche's are contractors that really have no stake in the brand other than when they get paid for the contract they will eventually bet underbid on. Just like the US Govenrment.

earl pottinger

I think that points out, it does not matter how good the car is if the driver is not.

Earl Colby Pottinger

colegno

I test drove a Taycan 4S and then a Tesla 3 Long Range back to back a few weeks ago. Taycan hands down the winner if price isn't an issue.
I really disliked the regenerative braking in the Tesla and now that the 2021's won't even let you tone it down, like in previous generations, for me it would be a hard pass.
I was also unimpressed by the Tesla's interior and how unconnected I was to the car when driving the twisty's in comparison to the Taycan.
As a drivers car the Taycan is the way to go but for those impressed by speed alone the Tesla would certainly be enough because it is wicked fast.

kort677

the difference between the two cars is that the model 3 is a fast sedan, and the taycan is a fast sports car. the difference in speed is extremely minor, about a half second zero to 60 and at higher speeds the taycan will not have a dropoff in acceleration that the tesla has.
the interior of the taycan is indeed far better appointed than the tesla is.
as for the tesla regen, I liked the one pedal driving that the high level of regen offered.

colegno

Hey Kort,
Porsche seems to agree with my take on regen braking as I didn't even notice it while driving the Taycan.
I'm amazed that people like the feel of brakes being applied whenever they lift their foot off the accelerator.
It literally made me feel ill after my 45 minute test drive. I couldn't wait to get out of the car.
Apparently I'm an outlier as I know the Tesla folks praise that feature.

daveo4porsche

@colegno honestly I consider it no worse than engine braking in a low gear in a manual transmission car - and you can modulate it if you don't take your foot fully off the accelerator - after a few days I found it very natural - and got quite good at never using the brakes…but yeah you have to modulate your pedal - you can modulate such that you're actually coasting and lift just a little bit and get only a little bit of regen.

Bolt people love their one-pedal driving also - so it's not just the Tesla folks - personally I think it should be choice for the Taycan - something you can configure as one of your personal settings - I want it on the street and daily driving, but not on the track.

Zcd1

Just like anything new it requires time for acclimation. 45 minutes isn’t enough to understand how to leverage the feature to your benefit.
Most eventually find that one-pedal driving is far easier and simpler than constantly moving your foot back and forth from accelerator to brake.