kort677

I was just using a brand new macan loaner with a bose system, the bose in the macan sounds mushy and is not as well done as it is in the taycan. I read somewhere this is because the bose system was designed for the taycan while in other models it was just "slapped" into the car.

daveo4porsche

https://rennlist.com/forums/taycan/1...l#post17641709

dgtarga

The brochures for all the models I've owned each state that the Bose system was designed specifically for the model. But clearly, some sound better than others. And in some cases, much better. My experience in the Taycan loaners sounds like an outlier, but I don't regret the Burmester upgrade.

jlee504

I have the burmeister in my cross turismo. It’s nice but if I had to do it again I would have spent the money on ventilated and massaging seats. It’s not 7500 nice, it more like 1500 to 3000 nicer.

XLR82XS

I don't see power charge doors as all-important. Nice but not must have IMO. As others have stated, the Bose is incredible and the best Bose put in Porsche. Burmester is outstanding and it blew me away in my 970 panamera turbo years ago. If within your budget go Burmester.
For the cost of Innodrive, ACC, night vision and other assistance stuff I would pass on those and spend on Burmester.

hfm

This is very informative. Having had 14 ways in a Cayenne and knowing they don't fit as well as 18s for the same reason, I slide around, I was thinking the photos of the 14s in a Taycan CT seemed better if I wanted the massage function. I'll be sticking with 18s should I end up pulling the trigger on a TCT. Also, good info on the Bose v. Burnmeister.

Thanks.

cmjohnson

It's Burmester, not Burmeister. No I in it.

I personally have a nearly pathological hatred for all things Bose. I'd spring for "audio system delete" if the only other choice was a Bose system, and then I'd put in an aftermarket system.

Burmester totally outclasses Bose in every way. It's more expensive but I'd go for the Burmester system.

Yes I'm very biased. Just being honest about it.

kflory

What cmjohnson said. Bose and audio quality are two mutually exclusive things.

I have the Burmester and pretty happy with it, It made me go back and iterate on my 993 update as the Taycan was sounding better and could not have that. I can drown out any difference with the engine.

And as to power massage seats, don't knock'em until you have tried them. I have them in my S7 and was a no brainer to get them in the Taycan. When you back aches and you are stuck in traffic, or on a long drive, it is awesome.

Archimedes

Who said it sounded as good as the Burmester? I just said the Bose sounded fantastic in the Taycan, better than any Bose system I’ve heard in any other car. But I get that that it’s not cool to say good things about Bose on the Internet. The cool kids gotta keep up their net cred.

daveo4porsche

mmmmm - massage seats…the Bose in the Taycan is the best Bose in any Porsche to date - as to if it’s Burmester worthy that’s another conversation that I’m not qualified to comment on - but the Bose is quite good IMHO.

mmmmmm massage seats - after experiencing them in my Taycan wife made me add them to her ‘21 Cayenne as part of our order process.

neighbor with ‘22 Cayenne on order - felt our Cayenne massage seats and she added them to her order…just saying.

nycebo

Fantastic? The problem with hyperbole is that it opens you up to an impression of zero credibility.

The Bose is not fantastic. It is average, and only slightly above mediocre. For the upgrade cost, it's not worth it. However, the standard stereo is simply bad, so one is left with no option but to pad Porsche's profits. It's a shame because as I've mentioned elsewhere, the mid-premium stereo upgrades from other manufacturers are so much better. When I go back and forth between the MB, Audi and Taycan (Bose), I'm reminded of that last fact EVERY time.

Whoopsy

Haha massage seats. Never had them in any of my Porsches. Comfort trumps massaging function and Porsche's 18 way seats is the most comfortable seat there are. If only they can put massaging function into the 18s. I have the massage seat in my e-Tron and my girlfriend loved it but I never used it even once, she wanted it in our new Cross Turismo. She got a no as an answer.

XLR82XS

It's worth it since the base stereo sucks. Best Bose in a Porsche. It's only $1500 which is a tiny % of total purchase.
Burmester in base comes in 2 ways: $7000 stand-alone or $5700 as part of the premium package. Not worth $7K IMO.

Archimedes

You mean hyperbole like 'Bose blows' that gets parroted over and over on the Internet because it's cool to say?

The Taycan Bose sounds wonderful. Much better than the HK in my M5 that its replacing or the B&O in my Audi before that. The Bose in my GT4 is meh, even with a good source, but the Taycan Bose system is very good and the cost is minimal.

Visceral

In the old days (aside from the 901 speakers), Bose were well known for building speakers that relied on mechanical frequency transposition to hide holes in the response. On one song it would sort of work (usually "wall of sound" style music), but on more simple music is would fail badly.

Today, every single system "designed for the car" has a digital signal processor ironing out the frequency response of even the zero-cost system. Materials technology also allows for inexpensive drivers with much greater bandwidth. What does this all mean? Be careful of your old opinions. Some inexpensive JBL/Bose systems will outperform top systems from 10 years ago. Road noise and the ubiquity of compression makes a bigger difference than there is between medium and expensive system options in european and US cars and trucks. I recently heard a factory system in a Ford F150 that was delightful with specific source material but was totally unremarkable after we turned on the engine and started driving down the highway on all terrain tires.

The Burmester in my 991.1 TS is incredible. So much so that it highlights flaws in recording. The moment the car starts rolling and the tire noise begins, my experience goes downhill. Was it worth $5500? Only when I'm at a standstill.

I didn't spend the extra $5700 on the Burmester in the Taycan CT4S in the hope that I wont be spending very much time sitting still and listening to lossless recordings. 2020+ Bose will do just fine.